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Travis Walton’s Alien Abduction
Lie Detection Test

by Michael Shermer, Aug 14 2012

A Moment of Truth (or not) for the most famous
UFO abduction case in history

The Moment of Truth

Because I have a teenage daughter I am relatively current on what’s popular in pop culture. American Idol is the ne plus ultra in the reality television genre (don’t let yourself get hooked), and because Fox incestuously promotes its other shows I was vaguely familiar with The Moment of Truth, a game show in which contestants have to tell the truth under the watchful wires of a lie detector in order to win cash prizes. Contestants are put through a battery of questions while hooked up to the polygraph, but are not told whether the examiner determined from the readings whether or not they told the truth. Later, in front of millions of viewers and a live studio audience, with their friends, co-workers, family, spouses, or boyfriends and girlfriends (or ex’s) sitting on the set with them, they are asked the same questions again. After each answer a female voice says “That answer is…” and after a long pause a “true” means the contestant continues up the ladder to $25,000, $100,000, $200,000 all the way to half a million bucks. A “false” sends you packing for home.

One night a woman was faced with her husband and ex-boyfriend and was asked if she wished she had married the other guy. “Yes,” she said. “That answer is…true,” sounded the voice. She won the money but lost the husband. I remember thinking to myself, “you’d have to be a real pinhead to go on this show.”

On July 31, 2008, I appeared on The Moment of Truth (watch Part 1 on YouTube. I appear at about 7 min. 35 secs. in Part 2.) The contestant was Travis Walton, arguably the most famous alien abductee in Earth history. I agreed to appear only if there were no sexual allusions (alien probes aside). My question for Mr. Walton: “Do you have any evidence to support your claim of being abducted?” Of course he answered in the affirmative, because for three decades Travis Walton has been telling people that on the evening of November 5, 1975, he was “zapped” into a UFO while working as a logger in an Arizona National Forest. His evidence? His co-workers said they saw it happen. Five days later Walton called from a nearby payphone to report that the aliens had let him go.

And none too soon, because Walton and his co-workers were about to miss their deadline of November 10th to finish the logging job, after which they would be docked 10 percent of the contract, unless an “Act of God” prevented completion. Enter the UFO. Why aliens? For years Travis and his older brother Duane had talked about the UFOs that they had seen in Arizona, and they even made a pact that if either one were ever abducted they would insist that the aliens abduct the other one as well. Coincidentally (not!), two weeks before Walton’s abduction, with the logging deadline growing near, NBC aired their prime-time made-for-television movie The UFO Incident, about the 1961 Betty and Barney Hill abduction case.

In the considered opinion of the late aviation journalist Philip Klass, in his 1988 book UFO-Abductions (Prometheus Books), Walton and his buddies just made up the story as an excuse to account for their pending job incompletion. In his investigation of the case, Klass discovered that during the five days that Walton was missing none of his family or co-workers showed any concern whatsoever for his safety during several interviews by media and interrogations by law enforcement agents. His brother Duane confessed: “He’s not even missing. He knows where he’s at, and I know where he’s at.”

Although Walton passed a polygraph test arranged by a UFO organization, Klass learned that Walton dictated to the examiner what questions would be asked. Further investigation by Klass led him to an earlier unpublished polygraph test of Walton, conducted by Jack McCarthy, one of the top polygraph examiners in Arizona. McCarthy gave Klass his assessment of Walton’s story: “Gross deception!” He added that Walton employed polygraph countermeasures, such as holding his breath.

Now, 33 years later, Walton was once again in the polygraph hot seat. His affirmative answer to my question passed the truth test, because of course Walton believes he has evidence in the form of his friends’ corroborative story. The next question, for $100,000, was refreshingly straight-forward: “Were you abducted by a UFO on November 5, 1975.” Without hesitation he barked “Yes.” The voice in the sky once again boomed: “That answer is…”

Fire in the Sky (book cover)

False.” I couldn’t believe it. Neither could Walton, whose jaw dropped faster than a crashed flying saucer. At last, after a bestselling book and popular film about his abduction, Fire in the Sky, after countless UFO conferences and media appearances, it took a Fox reality television show to bring the case to a head. What does this mean? To be fair and balanced (!), possibly nothing, because the polygraph test is unreliable. In fact, I even thoroughly debunked it myself in a two-part special for the Fox Family channel (watch Part 1 and Part 2 on YouTube).

Given the shortcomings of both reality television and the polygraph, I wrote to Travis and asked him for his account of his experience on Moment of Truth. I had met Walton once before at my office in Altadena, California, where we filmed a segment for a television special on UFOs. I found him to be an exceptionally likeable man, a nice guy, and I found his account of this television show to be most illuminating. As he wrote me on August 21, 2009:

I normally would not have ever agreed to be on such a show. After my fellow crewmen and I passed polygraph tests from the Arizona state police polygraph examiner I wrote in my book that I was done addressing that aspect of it. There the matter rested until last year when I received the bad news from my employer of 11 years that over a hundred of those most recently hired (which included me) would be permanently laid off. Coincidentally I came home that day to receive a phone call from The Moment of Truth inviting me to be a contestant with the possibility of winning up to $100,000.

I’m no fool. I knew that the show’s public lure was to familiarize the audience with the contestant’s friends& family and then shockingly disgrace him with a key “failed” question. I wrote to several friends about my misgivings. The examiner was their man, with a vested interest in giving his employer the scandalous Jerry Springer type “entertainment” that has been the show’s stock in trade — to say nothing of saving them from awarding any prize money. I was made even more uneasy to learn that up to then very few had won much of anything. The outrageous demands set down in their contract was the clincher. I declined their offer.

But they persisted, modifying the standard contract to satisfy my objections. They said the rules were being changed to insure more prizes would be awarded. My looming layoff pushed me to reconsider. I inquired as to whether good, accepted modern polygraph methods were being used. They assured me that was the case. I should have known better, but I figured all I had to do was tell the truth, even if I had to make public something embarrassing like a personal business or marital mistake and I would win top prize.

I didn’t became aware of the shocking truth about the polygraph procedure they were using until it was too late. It did no good to tell them what I’d written in my book (page 322) years earlier, that “The American Polygraph Association’s Standards and Principles of Practice item #5 states: “A member shall not provide a conclusive decision or report based on chart analysis without having collected at least two (2) separate charts in which each relevant question is asked on each chart. A chart is one presentation of the question list.” There many other violations of accepted procedure.

We came back home and my wife had me retested with the most rigorous new tests we could find — in New Mexico where it is stringently regulated by the state because results are admissible in court there. A firm highly recommended by other examiners, one that does work for the Albuquerque Police Dept, the NM State Prison, and the U.S. Marshal’s office. The most accepted methods on state-of-the-art computerized equipment. I passed two different new tests flawlessly. Then I found a website that was even more devastating of any claim of legitimacy for The Moment of Truth: The Truth About the Moment of Truth. Written by a court certified polygraph expert back in 2004 shortly after the show debuted, he began with, “…the polygraph aspect of the show has no validity whatsoever.” and “This test format will NOT determine truth or deception.” In fact I wrote years ago that the GAO tests showed such methods would yield as high as 80% false positives. He wrote in conclusion, “Due to the vague, subjective, futuristic nature, and sheer volume, of relevant questions asked on The Moment of Truth, there can be little more than chance accuracy in determining truth or deception to these questions. In other words, they could simply flip a coin and achieve the same accuracy levels.”, saying you’ll get the same opinion from any accredited polygraph school. I then proceeded to gather several more equally damning judgments from some of the very top experts in the world in polygraph, plus I had several international mediaforums lined up. So there’s a bit of a let down because I was geared up to defend myself in a way that would have unfortunately demolished the show and seriously hurt Fox. Too bad, because I think that the producers I dealt with are good, well intentioned people who had been duped by a dishonest examiner.

Check out that website and tell me what you think.

I think the polygraph is not a reliable determiner of truth. I think Travis Walton was not abducted by aliens. In both cases, the power of deception and self-deception is all we need to understand what really happened in 1975 and after.

59 Responses to “Travis Walton’s Alien Abduction
Lie Detection Test”

  1. Max says:

    I wonder how many lives are ruined by polygraphs tests. I think on the Steve Wilkos show, a guy passed a polygraph test, but then Wilkos says one of the questions was, “Did you look up how to beat a polygraph test?” Which is almost as paradoxical as asking, “Are you a liar?”

    In Shermer’s special on polygraphs, O.J.’s jury consultant did really well.
    “Of the 84 questions asked of our test subjects, they lied on 10 of the questions. Jo-Ellan was able to identify 9 of their lies with just 2 false accusations.”

    That’s a sensitivity of 9/10 and a false positive rate of only 2/74, giving a Bayes factor of (9/10)/(2/74)=33.3. That means when she says someone is lying, the odds of lying go up by a factor of 33.3.

  2. CountryGirl says:

    A psychopathic liar could beat a polygraph. Clinton was a psychopathic liar and did it with ease. If you look up psychopathic liar in the dictionary you will find Bill Clinton’s picture.

    • Chris says:

      Good lord, still after Clinton? How freaking lame.

      Your comment is senseless in any case, since Clinton never took a polygraph.

    • feralboy12 says:

      I looked it up in three dictionaries. None had Clinton’s picture.
      You’re a liar.

    • Beelzebud says:

      Speaking of psychopathic liars…

    • Janet Camp says:

      And you, of course, have never, ever, ever, told a lie–even to spare someone you love unnecessary pain.

    • Max says:

      In part 2 of Shermer’s special on lie detection, body language expert Jo-Ellan Dimitrius read Clinton’s body language and said he was not being honest. Then, Shermer says, “But we’ll never know for sure if the President lied, so we decided to do our own body language test.”
      Jo-Ellan not only aced that test, as I mentioned in my first comment, but she correctly read Clinton before he admitted to lying.

      My takeaway from Part 2 is that behavior is a pretty reliable indicator of deception. Part 1 about polygraph tests isn’t very convincing. The only real evidence it presents against polygraph tests is the use of countermeasures. But the big problem is the high false positive rate. I’ve read about false positive rates around 10%.

    • Max says:

      The evidence I’ve seen says that psychopaths don’t perform differently on a polygraph.
      “Raskin and Hare
      A special population, prisoners, especially relevant to the field use of the polygraph, was the focus of a study by Raskin and Hare. In their sample of 48 inmates of a Canadian prison, half were selected for high levels of psychopathy, and half for low levels. One purpose of their study was to investigate whether deceptive psychopaths could more easily escape detection than normal subjects. Overall, assessments of deception from the field evaluations from all charts were 88% correct, 4% wrong, and 8% inconclusive. There were only 2 errors, both false positives. No significant differences were found between psychopaths and nonpsychopaths, suggesting that a CQT polygraph examination is equally valid for both. Also, a quantitative analysis showed that all the physiological measures were significantly different between guilty and innocent subjects. Psychopathy did not obscure these differences and in some cases enhanced them.”
      “Given the effectiveness of the threat manipulation, the results of our study strongly support the conclusion of Raskin and Hare (1978) that psychopaths are no more likely to ‘beat’ a control question polygraph test than nonpsychopaths: 87% of our guilty subjects were correctly classified on the basis of blind analyses of the field polygraph charts, and the hit rates for psy-chopaths and nonpsychopaths were statistically equivalent.”

  3. MadScientist says:

    It sounds like Howard Stern reincarnated.

  4. d brown says:

    There is a test that uses voice stress to find lies. You could buy then to put on desks at Sharper Image. It will work on recordings. Maybe they should be used more. I had a list of old recordings I’d like to run. After Nixon’s Watergate speech Larry Finn (?) had a PI run the speech. A graft showed the lies word for word. Its interesting that the Clinton haters never did this. Maybe they did, and did find anything worth running with. There was never anything of worth there. After the Nixon story politicians stopped saying anything but good things about good things about God , the flag and apple pie. They have paid spokesmen do their real talking.

  5. Max says:

    What if you ask the same question twice, and have the suspect answer “yes” the first time, and “no” the second time? Will the polygraph consistently say that one of the answers was honest and the other was dishonest? I doubt it.

  6. brenda says:


    • tmac57 says:

      In the words of the very wise Judge John Hodgman:”That is all”.

  7. meghan says:

    My husband and I recently watched the Paranormal Witness episode, and the one thing I always go back to is the fact that there is absolutely no chance, that all of those men could create this story together, all pass a polygraph test, and stand true to their stories for all of those years. No way. Also, I highly doubt (especially in the 70’s) that each of those men would be willing to put their reputation on the line like they did. This is a truly remarkable story and each one of those men, based on their facial expressions and eye position, is telling the truth. The show may have rigged their results. Facial expression analysis is more accurate and all of those men are not only telling the truth, but still fear the incident. I have no doubt they saw what they saw.

    • meghan says:

      I mean the game show may have rigged, Travis Walton’s polygraph answer, not paranormal witness.

    • joshua Ram says:

      I saw the ”Paranormal” episode last night and all men seemed true but Walton, I got the impression that he was acting, looking down and rolling the eyes as still terrorised but unconvincingly to my view. I on the other hand agree with your thought line about the other witnesses, the one crying really touched me, that one looked 100% genuine, but again I want to believe so…

  8. Lance says:

    They were all given a polygraph by an expert assigned by the sheriffs dept. they all passed.The sheriff was trying to establish a lie covering up a possible murder, not prove their story. Personally I believe them.

  9. Lance says:

    Also,just what kind of evidence do you expect him to present? Do you think the aliens gave him a death ray gun as a souvenir?Or perhaps they forgot to remove the probe from his butt or wherever they put it?

  10. stephen says:

    Don’t forget every one of those guys was offered 10 grand to ‘come clean and expose the ‘hoax’ yet not one did ever take the money.

    They were all young and in need of money but they all stuck to the story.

    After 37 years all have gone seperate ways, they were not all friends then and are not now yet still it stays the same story.

    The paranormal programme with the real people telling their side of it including the polygraph guy has me thinking they are legitimate.
    And I am skeptical as they come but not so dumb as to think I know it all about what is possible or not.

  11. jamdfh says:

    The Travis Walton case has nothing to do with testimony or lie detector tests. Going on and on about who said what and who is credible is just rediculous. The evidence that this is a “hoax” began the day Travis Walton reappeared and began telling his story. The answer is in his testimony, plain as day! When you want to learn about Jesus go to the Romans, they had no emotional interest in his story. Find that in Travis’ story and you get your answer it’s all right there in black and white. All those skeptics and UFO debunkers can’t find the butts overlooked so many details and relied solely on the parties involved. What happened out there in the Arizona forest was definately terrestrial and should now be viewed as a felony. As an investigator, I believe a crime was committed here, not an alien encounter. Want to know more? Answer this blog.

  12. Christopher LoGiudice says:

    A couple of you were talking about psychopaths. What is the difference between a psychopath and a sociopath? At any rate… my city where I live… a man had the bodies of 6 women rotting in his house. He was questioned and took a lie detector test regarding whether or not he knew anything about where those women could be. He said no and passed. Two more died before they got him…and that was only because the last victim…who would have been number nine..escaped from him. This my an evil sociopath. What do you all think?

  13. Christopher LoGiudice says:

    ALSo…I believe that what happened to Mr. Walton and the rest of that crew that night was no hoax. It was real.

  14. zokomtallesuitlul says:

    know that these’sceptics’are government debunkers. they have reverse engineerd alien crafts and use them on their own kind. it all comes out in the 10 days after the 21st of dec.

  15. Ryan says:

    Id love to give FOX news a lie detector test each day..

  16. Joli Valenti says:

    I am 52 years of age, and was most certainly abducted with my mother, she remembers nothing accept my detailed ordeal that I’ve expressed to her my whole life. She dismissed my abduction at first and continued to take it with a grain of salt until(20 years)later in my life when my “episode’ for a lack of a better term was identical to thousands of other abduction claims she soon found to be a mass claim.

    I was Seven at the time……….

    You do the math, I’ve never wavered on what happened, and have astral projected twice since then as well.I can 200% garauntee that I would pass any and all tests to this testament….Period

    I am married and a father of four wonderful intelligent children and make a great living as a music publisher/ musician. I am perfectly sane and simply tired of holding in this traumatic moment in my life for fear most would think I was looking for attention or other agendas.

    I simply remember every detail of the abduction which lasted an hour in my mind. It is the only (they tried to tell me I was dreaming), dream in my life I can recant in meticulous detail…. because it HAPPENED.

    This is on record, the first time I am making this public and I challenge any investigators to prove me wrong.

    I want to know how and who I can speak with to prove my word and undertake any and all tests to show beyond a shadow of a doubt that this was real, very real.

    It Happened in 1967 in Tujunga, Ca. while just a child with no knowledge of alien anything.

    I swear and fully attest to all claims and can prove it to any and all experts in detail.

    I’m tired of keeping this inside for fear of ridicule, Im old enough now that I don’t care who does not believe me.

    Joli Valenti

    Please only serious need reply, I will watch this sight to see answers.

    • Hi Joli, thanks for writing in. You mention you could pass a test. What kind of a test would you propose? What is the nature of the proof you could offer? I’ve often wondered how this could be done.

      For examples, certain alloys would be prohibitively expensive for an Earthly hoaxer to produce, and would likely be taken very seriously by planetologists.

    • tmac57 says:

      Mr. Valenti,assuming that everything that you say is completely true,I am unsure how any of it could be proven this many years since it occurred.
      I nearly choked to death at the age of 7 when I accidentally swallowed a peach pit.I was alone at the time,hence there were no witnesses.That was an extremely traumatic and scary event in my life,but how could I prove that it actually happened to anyone else? Conversely,how could anyone else disprove that it happened?
      There are other plausible explanations of what you experienced,but you seem like your mind is made up,and unlikely to change,and barring any physical evidence to support your claim,it will just have to be left as unknown for now.

      • Norma R says:

        you said your mother was abducted with you,does she not wonder what happen to the hour she was missing from that time on?

    • Max says:

      Let me guess, you can pass a lie detector test. Even if polygraphs worked, they wouldn’t distinguish whether you were really abducted or mistook an unusually vivid dream for an actual abduction.
      But if you can astral project to my house, and read my car’s license plate number, that’ll be something.

    • JoeD says:

      Just because you believe something doesn’t mean it happened. And just because you had an experience that a great many others had only means that you had a similar experience shared by others. If a great many people have the same dream and believe it to be real that does not make it so – the experience is real (the dream) but that reality of the event is not. I’m not saying you weren’t abducted by aliens, I’m just saying it’s highly unlikely. An extremely vivid, scary dream – it is not surprising you still remember it. The second clue is that you were a child. I thought I saw the Easter Bunny too, and if I didn’t know better as I got older I would still swear to this day that I saw him. It turned out it was my mother in her furry pink pajamas, but my child’s brain saw a giant bunny. No one can prove I didn’t see it, and I can’t prove I did. I know today that it was my mother, for a number of reasons – not the least of which I know the Easter Bunny does not exist.

      • C.S. Haviland says:

        JoeD makes correct statements here. I don’t tend to call victims of “abductions” liars. Some of them are hoaxers through and through. But I believe a lot of them are very sincere about what they believe they experienced. And I don’t think they can be passed off as mere vivid dreams. From an objective point of view, I think many of them can be explained by sleeping disorders that create a sort of psychotic event that is far more intense than a simple dream. It is a traumatic episode to be sure. Before the modern “UFO” culture, I think people who had these episodes believed in elves, vampires, and other sorts of creatures. This is not to laugh at them by any means, it’s serious business. The human mind is VERY complex, and understanding how our imaginations work is an ongoing process.

        As for “astral projections,” I would place these into the same psychiatric camp. I myself had a VERY strange moment when I was sleeping in my teenage years. I had a dream that I was a small person, standing on the floor beside my bed, looking out across the carpet. And I saw my hamster running across the floor ahead of me, the same size as me. That’s how I remember it. I woke up shortly thereafter (I must have, because most dreams you can remember were dreamt only minutes before you awake), and I was shocked to discover that my hand was draped over the side of the bed near the floor, and the VIEW FROM MY HAND would have been the exact view I saw in my dream. And I was then shocked to discover that my hamster had, for the first time, escaped from her cage that night. I later found her in my closet.

        I’m not a big believer in “astral projections” but I do have some difficulty explaining how my dream conjured that up. My theory is that I might have been subconsciously aware that my hand was hanging over the side of the bed, and perhaps I heard a scratching in my room that sounded like my hamster (though I don’t recall actually hearing sound). So my dream stitched an imaginative image together. Maybe?

  17. RNB says:


  18. MiddleGround says:

    I consider myself open to possibilities, but do not believe everything I hear by any means. I do try and keep an open mind. What interested me about the Walton case from what I was able to find from various documentaries and articles is not only did Travis pass a lie detector test administered by a law professional, all of the witnesses also passed. While one can reasonably be considered to be “fooling” the examiner, I do not believe all of them could. What happened that day, I have no idea, it may have been extrodinary, and I am not afraid to say it.

    • JoeD says:

      Just to be clear, Dallas’s test was inconclusive. But yes, impressive that the others passed as well.

  19. Travois Phaere says:

    Wow, anyone ever check out Philip Klass’s credentials? He worked for the power elite to debunk people like travis. What scares the people in power the most? Loosing that power. What would shake the foundations of all of our institutions? Beings that can manipulate dimensions and time that we have no control over. It’s no different than a huge shark swimming around thinking that he’s the end of the food chain then out of now where comes a nuclear sub and the shark gets scared out of it’s mind. That’s about the equivelent of what we are talking about here and it scares the daylights out of the ruling elite to think that they might have to step aside while the slaves get freed. To think that we are the top of the heap in the universe is not only naive, it is myopic. But we shall see soon enuf because the sighting in AZ and the other stuff showing up more and more around the world suggests that these things are trying to acclimate us to the idea, which also means that they are pry not going to harvest us for meat. They are pry going to help us with our nuclear and religious messes. One of those will be a lot easier to solve than the other.

  20. JoeD says:

    I am a skeptic. But I am also someone who relies on facts when others are presenting evidence one way or another. I like Shermer, but he has a long history of avoiding facts or statements in evidence and making assumption to debunk anything he seems out of this world. It’s good to debunk things, but not good to overlook things just to “prove” something wrong. And of course, just because someone says something does not mean it happened, but you should at least not ignore it if you’re going to bother looking at the case at all.

  21. JoeD says:

    One other thing, what exactly was Shermer’s point to this article. A dubious, if not downright dishonest television program submits a questionable lie detector (a process Shermer has problems with anyhow) to a guy whom Shermer considers equally as dubious and isn’t going to believe either way. I’m starting to think Shermer just likes to hear himself talk.

  22. JoeD says:

    One last little point: this article is entitled “A Moment of Truth (or not) for the most famous UFO abduction case in history.” I’m sorry, Michael, but Betty and Barney Hill are easily the most famous, not Travis Walton. This is why your debunking of these things is so bothersome – you always get things wrong. You don’t bother to dig into the details because you’ve already decided the stories are crap. They may be, but that’s no way to objectively address anything.

  23. JoeD says:

    ..and yet Micheal appears on the show. And his way of “proving” that Walton is lying? The very polygraph test that he here says, in essence, is no good. Maybe next time you should use a crystal ball or astrology to deduce if Travis is telling the truth.

  24. darryl pearson says:

    a lie detector test does not prove DIP to me. he has no physical evidence of any nature. only his ‘say-so’. if he had to take this scenario into court in todays times, he would lose. he has absolutely no proof for his case.

  25. mars ward says:

    Something happened all those years ago. Mr. Walton was taken. If you believe or do not believe, that’s doesn’t matter. You can’t prove one way or another now. Logically, the facts say these men experienced and saw something.

  26. poopshine says:

    I pooped my pants

  27. Mauro Nog says:

    Here in Brazil we had several cases of abductions. Amongst others which are also very strong, there is this one where Bianca and her then husband were abducted for some days while they were in their car at a state highway. She later wrote a book called “Possibilidades do Infinito” which means Possibilities from the Infinite”. The problem is I´ve never seen it translated into English. But as small as the book is, it shouldn´t be hard to find someone to do it there. They went through all kinds of tests one can find in this earth to prove they were not lying,from hypnosis to mind regression etc… It happened on January 1976. It´s strange how abduction cases were so frequent those days.
    You can find the book in the internet for sale or as pdf format for free too. Your jaws will drop from the things she was told by the beings she had contact with. It is very clear now why these aliens cannot show themselves openly for everybody at once. Like mentioned before here, it will definitely shake all foundations on this earth of ours.

    • James says:

      I couldn’t find an Rnglish translation of Possibilidades do Infinito either. What are some of things she mentioned that you said will make my jaw drop? Thank you in advance for replying to this.

    • Daniel says:

      Hypnosis and mind regression also resulted in an insurance salesman claiming he witnessed people conspiring to assassinate Kennedy when it was verified to a metaphysical certainty that the supposed conspirators were in another state at the time.

  28. Johnny Egyptian says:

    They are the Government of the United States know that history is nothing but a lie agreed

  29. Johnny Egyptian says:

    They are the ones from long ago. Has been watching Barney and Betty Hill, Travis Walton and other people you are lying all.The Government of the United States know what happened in Roswell and Nome in Alaska, Mexico and Phoenix.In the end, God bless and keep our homes

  30. lizzie says:

    I think he really was abducted he wouldn’t have had that long to make up such a vivid description

  31. C.S. Haviland says:

    1) About this whole polygraph discussion. Everyone is arguing whether Travis passed or not or whether polygraphs are accurate or not. But whether someone passes or whether it’s accurate depends a lot on the specific questions being asked. Let’s suppose that I actually saw a UFO in the woods, and some electromagnetic arc zapped me into a state of delirium. Now let’s suppose I wander around the forest with vague images in my head that are the result of delirium and I later resolve them into a false memory of aliens, or I make up the memory of aliens after hiding for several days (for what ever reason). Pick either path. In a polygraph test if the questioner says, “Did you see a UFO in the woods on xyz date?” I could say YES and maybe pass the question. But if the questioner says, “Were you abducted by aliens on xyz date?” I might say YES and maybe fail the question. This test in its entirety then produces inconclusive results. But if the questioner doesn’t ask the second question exactly, the test in its entirety might yield positive results. If the questioner doesn’t ask the first question exactly, it might yield negative results.

    2) I consider myself an open-minded skeptic. I believe in the possibility of alien visitation. But I try to accept the possibility outside the filtering lenses of human perception and culture. For one thing, I am pretty sure we are not being visited by creatures that look hominid in any way. I think “Greys” are a fictional modern myth. The second I saw the “alien autopsy” footage I said, “hoax.” That’s a hominid figure. People who think creatures that look human can come from other planets have been watching way too much Star Trek. If aliens came from other planets we probably wouldn’t even recognize them as being alive. There are creatures right here on earth that look far different than humans. Personally I think that if we are being visited by anything INTELLIGENT, it’s AI, not organic. Robotic intelligence that’s tens or hundreds of thousands of “years” ahead of us, which take no particular interest in humans.

    3) I also disregard time traveling ideas. I do consider the possibility of interdimensional intelligences from Earth, with parallel evolution, or near-parallel evolution. These can explain a hominid “alien” (which isn’t really alien). But I can’t “believe” such ideas without a lot more to go on than Quantum Theory speculations.

    4) Regarding the Travis Walton case, I am far more accepting of the possibility that he saw a craft, hence the reason the sighting is validated by other witnesses. You can break the incident into two separate stories with their own validation criteria. One is the sighting of a craft, the other is the personal testimony of an abduction. Maybe Travis and the gang did see something, and maybe he was knocked unconscious by a very powerful electromagnetic shock. We’ll never know for sure. But I am pretty sure he wasn’t abducted by the craft, much less inspected by hominid alien beings, much less taken to a “mother ship” and communicated with hominid androids or anything else. (In fact the movie FIRE IN THE SKY is a lot more convincing than Travis’s true account – which depicts a very different experience on the ship. But even if FIRE IN THE SKY were an accurate reconstruction of his testimony, I’d doubt it. I just don’t buy into alien abduction scenarios.) The description of the ship they saw in the woods didn’t seem like something that was big enough or capable of abducting life forms, nor did its behavior seem to have that purpose. If it wanted to abduct a lifeform, wouldn’t it just go find one? Surely it had the technology (as we do) to find a creature in the woods. Why hover around in the vacant woods scaring off any deer or other life? If it wanted to experiment on humans, it could have easily gone after the men or their truck before they even encountered it.

    4) To the posts about Presidents: Elected Officials are basically sales people (they sell themselves to get into office), and all sales people are professional liars. I know this sounds derogatory, though it’s not meant to be. It’s just a point of fact. To sell something you need to convince people that it’s worthy to buy, and to do that you usually need to exaggerate the strengths and hide the weaknesses. To quote Franklin D. Roosevelt in a conversation with my cousin Benjamin H. Haviland (who were fellow genealogy enthusiasts, neighbors and friends in Hyde Park, NY): “Never mind the truth. It’s a good story and the truth will take care of itself.” Please let’s not single out a single president or other elected official as being a liar. They ALL play this game, across ALL political parties, to get into office, to stay in office, to sway opinions in Congress, and to protect national security as well as hide their own mistakes.

    5) Presidents are not psychopaths. A psychopath has a specific diagnosis, obviously. People who make armchair diagnoses like this are just venting hatred, and it seems obvious there is no credibility to such remarks.

  32. John Roosa says:

    Travis Walton is a very down to earth, honest person. He was actually picked up because they individuals that were in the “ship” did not wish to leave him in the woods to die. So I guess you could say that he wasn’t abducted. But what he said was, to the best of his knowledge, correct. Polygraph tests are a complete waste of time. He’s no liar. I’ll never understand why so many people have been so quick to misjudge him, and so easily corrupted by other disbelievers..