Breaking News: Brian Dunning Acknowledges FEMA Prison Camps
A Google Alert recently brought my attention to the fact that I had, somehow and without my knowledge, suddenly joined the ranks of conspiracy theorists who believe that FEMA is building concentration camps throughout the United States to inter and kill law-abiding citizens. I wondered if perhaps I’d been mixing my Bloody Marys a bit strong. But then I noticed what site the article was on: PrisonPlanet.com, run by Alex Jones. Alex didn’t personally write the article – he was out running around with his strait jacket flapping half open, cackling like a banshee, pursued on foot by guys in white suits – it was written by Chuck Baldwin.
If you don’t know him, Chuck Baldwin is one of the more legitimate faces of the “Government is out to kill us all” conspiracy theorist crowd. Chuck was the 2008 Presidential candidate for the hardcore conservative Guns-n-Bibles Constitution Party. Chuck wrote:
Even Mr. Skeptoid himself, Brian Dunning, grudgingly acknowledges the probability of the existence of internment camps on U.S. soil. As with the retired Air Force colonel referred to above, Dunning senses nothing sinister about the existence of the camps, and he doesn’t address the numbers part of the story, but he does admit the plausibility of their existence.
Dunning wrote, “When I first heard the FEMA Prison Camp conspiracy story, it seemed ridiculous and paranoid at face value. But when I finally dug in to research it, I started by searching for the origins of the rumors, and found to my surprise that nearly all of the legal foundation and precedent for such a plan does in fact exist.”
I did say that in my episode. The legal precedent does in fact exist that would permit the President to erect prison camps and throw in American citizens. It’s surprising when you read the details, but it shouldn’t be when you connect the dots and see how it’s used, both in intent and in practice. These acts (which are matters of public record) are what permitted the National Guard to step in during the LA Riots, and I didn’t hear the conspiracy theorists complaining about it when it was saving their asses from wild mobs. It also permitted the military to be deployed to assist in Hurricane Katrina, though it need not be reiterated here what a clusterfucked travesty of incompetence that turned out to be.
Where Chuck jumps the tracks is his analysis that I “acknowledged the probability of (the camps’) existence”. Meaning, I said there probably are such camps. This is basically the opposite of what I concluded, so I figure Chuck either quoted mined without listening to the full episode, or didn’t care and simply used my name to add credibility to his position. Wrong, Chuck. I was pretty clear that I thought those who believe the government has such camps are delusional. Here are a few of my actual conclusions from the episode:
To a responsible skeptic, the other examples of government behavior that we have constitute pretty poor support for the existence of domestic concentration camps.
Times change. (The WWII internment of Japanese Americans) would never happen today, and although the government technically has the same powers to do it now as it did then, it’s not realistic to be concerned about it recurring.
I don’t remember anyone electing a politician who wants to throw millions of Americans into prison camps.
To make effective electoral decisions, you need to maintain a healthy skepticism, and not go off the deep end and suppose that every Halliburton contract is a slippery slope leading to Americans being gassed in military concentration camps.
If you see barbed wire around a train yard, consider the possibility of other explanations (like the train company doesn’t need stuff being stolen) before you conclude that the Illuminati are out to kill you.
Chuck, for the record, I’ve seen no plausible evidence and don’t believe for a moment that FEMA maintains a single prison camp in readiness with the intent of locking up and/or executing law-abiding American citizens. We all agree that they shouldn’t, including lefties, righties, cats, and redwood knurls. I hope that’s clear enough, so please don’t use my name anymore to promote your, or Alex Jones’, sensationalized paranoia. Thank you.
Brian,
This is a very serious allegation and I think your scepticism should now be in doubt until a full investigation can be launched.
Is Chuck going to bake a pie with all those cherries he’s picking?
“clusterfucked travesty of incompetence” makes me smile.
Years ago I visited some relatives of mine in New Orleans. This was well before Katrina and as we drove from the airport to their house on the north shore, they told me about how New Orleans was vulnerable to flooding and in fact would certainly be flooded eventually.
Now is it just me or does it seem more than just a little hypocritical to do very little for decades to prepare for a situation that is certain to occur eventually, then blame the federal government for it’s slow and incompetent response when it finally does occur.
I am of course just asking rhetorically. I know that the whole thing is just about hating Boosh and blaming him for.. well for just about everything.
Carry on.
Well Nayr, it might be hypocritical if those people had any power to actually get something done. It is the job of the government to build levies and infrastructure. How is it hypocritical of the citizens to notice a problem, and be right about it? It’s not like a group of citizens could just build modern levies and pumps to handle the problem. All experts knew there was a problem with the levies but no one wanted to spend the sacred tax dollars to improve them.
As for Bush. He isn’t responsible for N.O.’s underfunded levy system. He is responsible for putting an unqualified idiot like “Heckuvajob Brownie” in charge of FEMA.
That’s how it goes though. Underfund levies, put unqualified horse judges in charge of FEMA, then when the shit hits the fan, you can stand back and say “see look! Government doesn’t work!”
Those people had and still have the power to do something themselves. If New Orleans has a flooding problem then it is the responsibility of the government of New Orleans to address it, and the people of New Orleans to make sure that they do. The state of Louisiana and the U.S. government can help but ultimately the responsibility is on those who will be affected when the city floods. If they are powerless to get anything else done, they can always leave the city for higher ground.
The fact of the matter is that government didn’t work. Each of level of government failed due to it’s own special myopic corruption, but only the level that was actually the least responsible, the federal government, is getting all the blame.
And the worst part is that no one has learned anything. The residents of New Orleans are still demanding that the federal government rebuild their homes in the same areas that will without a doubt flood again. Brilliant.
“If they are powerless to get anything else done, they can always leave the city for higher ground.”
Spoken like someone who’s never lived in poverty. When you can barely afford to survive, moving is certainly not within your budget. At that point your only option is to keep on surviving, and cross your fingers that the people whose job it is to protect you DO SO.
It is not anyone else’s job to protect you. No matter how poor or wealthy a person is, it is their responsibility to protect themselves.
But in any case, poverty does not account for the fact that many poor people who have the option to leave now and have housing and employment provided elsewhere are choosing not to do so. They want to return, and that has nothing to do with poverty. It is human nature to want to return home, and that is fine by me. My real point here is that blaming the federal government alone is hypocritical because the other levels of government also failed and the people themselves were not motivated to do appropriate preparation for the inevitable.
Nayr, exactly how do people who have been intentionally and willfully marginalised, rendered powerless, and pushed into poverty by predatory capitalists protect themselves and their loved ones?
Not to mention those who have no power of any sort due either to racial and/or cultural barriers, mental and/or other health deficiencies, and so forth.
Not everyone who lived in NOLA was poor. I had friends who live there and we had a very similar conversation years before Katrina. They loved NO and wanted to live there. They had plenty of money to move. They’re now yelling loudly, too, for the federal government to rebuild their neighborhood. They didn’t blame their governor (who was a democrat or their mayor also a democrat) which struck me as odd (I’m a lib). There was plenty of blame to go around.
NOLA is below the flood plain. Why should I spend my hard earned tax money so people can live in a dangerous area because THEY WANT TO.
Nayr, you have it all wrong. The federal government gave the thumbs-up on the levee system that they built. According to the Corps of Engineers, our levees were okay. Ultimately, they were wrong, but I fail to see how the citizens of New Orleans are responsible for the failure of the levees.
We “choose” to live below sea level down here because we assume (or assumed) that the levee system works. Is it our fault that we were (unintentionally) misled? I suppose our local and state governments should have instinctively mistrusted the feds. Perhaps then we would be ok?
It’s fantastic that you can theorize and make assumptions from an outsider’s perspective. I only hope that you can detach yourself from any life-threatening situation you find yourself in.
Speaking as someone who works in emergency management: Nayr, you’re correct that there’s plenty of blame to spread around about Katrina. City, Parrish, State and Federal government all have mistakes to answer for. But the N.O. levee system was the sole responsibility of the U.S. Army Corps of Engineers. If the Federal government promises to build and maintain levies that will keep people safe, and fails to do so, then it is absolutely fair to criticize them for it.
And while the levy problems started before Bush, the “slow and incompetant response” after they broke were primarily the result of the Bush Administration having gutted FEMA to concentrate on all-terrorism-all-the-time. And that is the sole responsibility of “the Decider.”
Thank you… someone who actually knows what he’s talking about!
I lived in New Orleans in 2003, and between May 2005 and August 2008, working at Tulane… so during the hurricane. Yes, many people could’ve gotten prepared better, but unless anyone here has lived in the same situation, then I don’t really believe they understand the psychology behind it all. It wasn’t complacency… it was just that we all had a regular life to, going to work, paying the bills, etc.
Meanwhile, the local governments have pushed for increased spending on the reinforcement of the levees and the protection of the wetlands (the latter deed not receive a lot of support because, well, who cares about the environment, right?)
After the storm, the alleged funds were suddenly available… although after a couple of months the ambitious projects were already downgraded to shave of a couple of millions of nickels here and there.
I decided to leave partially because the rebuilding process took forever because of political infighting.
You nailed it.
“Times change. (The WWII internment of Japanese Americans) would never happen today, and although the government technically has the same powers to do it now as it did then, it’s not realistic to be concerned about it recurring.
I don’t remember anyone electing a politician who wants to throw millions of Americans into prison camps.”
That is cute.
I mean I agree with everything he said in his article, but that part was cute.
I mean, who would vote for FDR? Who would vote for somebody who (after they have been elected) throw people into camps. Sure, it happened before in this country, the legal framework is there for it, and there is a considerable amount of evidence to suggest that President Obama and his advisers adhere to a political philosophy which would logically conclude in such action, but there is no cause for concern.
I mean I agree, there are no FEMA camps and these people pushing the notion that there are, are nuts. No doubt. A guy from Popular Mechanics was on Glenn Beck not too long ago debunking the FEMA camps. They are nuts. That comment though, that it couldn’t happen for those particular reasons, that is cute.
P.S. “…concentration camps throughout the United States to inter and kill law-abiding citizens.” You spelt “intern” wrong.
Also important to note that the government did begin confiscating all the guns with no legal authority to do so whatsoever for no apparent reason during the aftermath of Hurricain Katrina. There were alsolots of illegal searches and detainments during that clusterfuck as well.
there is a considerable amount of evidence to suggest that President Obama and his advisers adhere to a political philosophy which would logically conclude in such action [throwing people into internment camps]
Only if by “evidence to suggest” you mean “number of lunatics, fear-mongers, and their enablers running around saying”. But evidence that sane people should accept? Not so much.
BTW, since I haven’t seen it said here: Large FEMA camps were being built under Bush. The left-wing concern then was that they’d be filled by mass round-ups of undocumented workers, or possibly by entire communities of poor folks, largely minorities, forcibly evacuated from cities affected by disasters, including civil unrest.
Actually by evidence I meant video and audio as well as attempts at bills of attainder, nationalization of industry, and a wide array of radical fanatics in his inner circle of advisers.
GeOrGe BuSh! As for that argument…
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eaE98w1KZ-c
This video may help you understand why you make these statements.
The Heritage Foundation is a right-wing think tank. That’s not an objective source at all, for anything.
So you think climate change is a hoax, and that Obama wants to round people up and put them in camps.
Are you sure you’re a skeptical thinker?
Ladies and gentlemen, pay close attention to this sort of attitude. First, notice how he dismisses an opinion completely first by calling it “right wing” hoping to win the argument by showing that the opposition is extreme almost to the point of being foreign (not in terms of nationality, but in terms of the common and the conventional), and second he hopes to discredit the video (which again is not a source, but an opinion piece) by belittling it hoping that in order to just get along you will ignore things that are silly. Belittlement and ridicule replace reason and logic.
Second paragraph notice that he deliberately misrepresents an opinion (in this case my opinion). Here he takes the same tactics he used to dismiss the video to attempt to dismiss rather than address me. First he attempts to suggest that I think climate change is a hoax hoping that my correction will sound like a concession which he can then use to ridicule and belittle me hoping to win the argument through demagoguery. Second, he attempts to paint me as an extremist, as foreign, by suggesting that I belong to the group I am critical of which says that FEMA is setting up secret camps to round people up. Again, he is hoping for a correction which he can equate to a concession which he can then exploit for the purposes of ridicule and belittlement.
Third paragraph is pure ridicule. Here he repeats his previous behavior by equating me to the antithesis of what I value as good. Why? To this question I say, watch the video he tried to persuade you not to watch.
No we probably wouldn’t elect an FDR today. He’s not good looking enough to be on the news 24/7 and that’s what we want today isn’t it? Handsome and oh yes, tall.
You know I clicked on the wrong link to this story. I meant to click continue reading and instead clicked on ‘Chuck wrote’ and ended up on prison planet. That’s some ignorant and hateful paranoia they got going on there.
I did the exact same thing. I clicked the link to Prison Planet and the stench of bullshit wafted into the air.
“clusterfucked travesty of incompetence”
How apropos!
Note: Sarcasm switch was OFF.
Sorry for repeating this, but a better audience is perhaps a better thing. The following has political relevance, but please ignore that and focus on the facts.
I think Mr. Dunning is doing a very good job. However, he, like many others, have, probably unintentionally, supported obviously false and ridiculous political beliefs, specifically the idea that 20 million Russians were killed by death camps or famine. (Of course, this is not counting the 27 million russians who gave their lives to fight the nazis, who I’m sure, we should all appreciate.)
I will simply re-submit my two postings from the wonderful site, skeptoid.com:
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Brian, you have a great show, but you have repeated a very commonly held, though false, belief in your podcast, when you mentioned the 10-20 million killed by Stalin.
Whether or not Stalin was a good guy or a bad guy, or whether you like communism or not, I think you’ll agree that’s irrelevant to the facts, and we should rely on the facts only.
Rational unbiased academics have placed the death toll during the purges and famines at closer to 700,000. The number has been multiplied many times over the years to arrive at the current ridiculous value. I’m sure in 20 years, the number will be 50 million.
While there certainly *were* purges and people *were* sent to camps and there were some famines, these were on a much smaller scale.
Much of the “evidence” used to back up the claims about famines that didn’t happen and massacres that never happened are *literally* recycled propaganda made by the NAZIs in the 30s and 40s or by anti-Stalin soviet leaders in fifties and later. The americans, for perhaps understandable reasons, used this material and built upon it during the cold war.
Please, reference real academic sources, not political ones, and post a correction on an upcoming show.
This is one of the “truths” that’s so widespread and has been repeated so often, even those that created the propaganda now believe it themselves.
This is not a defence of any political person or ideology, this is a defence of the truth. Thanks.
John, Washington
September 01, 2009 11:24am
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I apologize for subverting the cookie check, which I will honestly admit to.
I was more than generous in my previous posting where I gave legitimate standing to a conspiracy theory, while trying to disprove it myself. This was wrong and misguided.
As you have said many times, and as most people agree, extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence.
The idea that the Soviets killed 20 million people in the 30s and 40s is without any real evidence.
Compare, please, to the holocaust. Of course, the holocaust was real. We have hundreds of thousands of eye witnesses. We have documents on the people sent to the concentration camps and killed. We have documents on the employees, guards, officers, and even cooks. We have evidence of how they were transferred to sites where they were murdered.
No rational person can look at the evidence and deny the holocaust.
But supposedly, several times more people were killed in Russia! We have anecdotes in books, “The Gulag Archipelago” being one of the most famous. But this is a book full of anecdotes, not evidence.
A facility large enough to exterminate that many people must have employees, supplies, infrastructure, food, etc. Where are the people that did that, or at least who witnessed it?
With the holocaust, there are many witnesses to the evil perpetrated. In the case of the supposed Soviet death camps, we have a few anecdotal stories, (written by dissidents), but little else.
Please, be skeptical!
Johnx, Washington
September 02, 2009 9:44pm
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Anyway, I was obviously limited by character numbers on the skeptoid forum, but this is probably a good thing. The point Mr. Dunning has made about argument by verbosity is certainly a good one, and I don’t want to use this approach myself.
There is a large claim about the death of an extremely large number of people. Claims such as this requite evidence, not the other way around. The evidence doesn’t exist. (Well, the facts aren’t wrong, of course, just exaggerated beyond all recognition.)
Frankly, this is an argument that is obviously false, and even the US government did not accept it during WW2 and the early fifties. Of course, it was to their advantage to accept it afterwards. (Which, I frankly understand, and don’t necessarily condemn.)
However, the cold war is over, and we should be honest about what happened. The evidence for the massacre of millions in the Soviet Union is about as credible as the argument that the holocaust never happened, or “wasn’t so bad”.
Prison camps for second-class citizens still exist- just replace the Japanese-American immigrants with the Latino population. In AZ for example, prisoners were forced into purple-pants wearing chain-gangs and to eat rotten bologna. Good thing we won WW2 and defeated fascism!
These were law-abiding citizens imprisoned for being Latinos?
I believe this person is referring to Sherrif Joe Arpaio.
While he doesn’t jail people for simply being Mexican, he’s certainly a fascist.
I feel that it is plausible that these camps are real, could be used, and here is the scenario that i feel is realistic in regards to innocent Americans being imprisoned and disposed of in these camps.
The government is, and has been aware of an emminant danger for sometime. They know that this danger will come to fuition around a certain date, a certain place and a time in the near future.
The government also knows that the cause results is an epic disaster, and the effect is most-likely mass famine, homelessness, a complete disolution of the American and/or World Economy, and social services for millions of poor, tired, hungry and now sick American citizens.
I feel that these camps have been built proactively, but more so for a reactive response to an uncontrolable scenario: millions of tax-paying, middle, upper or lower citizens are beginning to revolt…they are hungry, their children are hungry, they figure that some people are eating and have access to healthcare, but now they are desperate, even wild and it is every man or family for themselves.
In my opinion, though disgusting and unGodly, with a mass shortage of food, shelter, medicine and any other basic neccesities, our own loving government would esily justify mass inialation. But instead of dropping random bombs on these masses, in a well-thoughout public relations blitz, the government will round the masses up, put us in these camps and ‘do away with an active threat on humanity’. Now, they will tell the ‘lucky one’s’ who are okay in this scenario that the re relatives have been invited, or wrangled maybe to these social service facilities, to feed, clothe and help us, but really, that feel good garble us just that…baloney.
for thoser of us who are okay, we will feel better, even tyhough montghs later we find out the trurth…that we were humanily youthanized…but, it was the good of mankind and survival that it was done…the milliuons of dead people are heros…they died so we can live on and reestablish mankind as we know it…it was a miserably tough decision, but it had to be done, so now we honor these millions of martyrs who gave their lives so you and i can continue on. god bless A,merica.
Woo Woo! All Aboard!
Where thiis a pjoke?,;:!-=
A special kind of crazy.
He’s maybe not so crazy and I have a notion as to what COKEDUPCOP refers. All I’ll say is “look north” (from the continental US, that is).
Things are about to happen…… Oh, yes.
Well, don’t keep us in suspense man! Spill.
Well, I’m not entirely free to expound, but I will state that the camps aren’t for Americans. I’m a Detroit native, grew up on the waterfront off Fort Street, staring across the river at Canada.
Most people think of Canadiens in benign terms, even comical terms, a la Great White North, ay? Tuques, Carling Black Label,and all that. I’ve heard Canadiens described as basically Nebraskans in flannel shirts. Some of us think of Canadiens as ‘junior Americans’. We see there are more people in Myanmar, the Congo, and Kenya than in Canada, and they fade a little deeper into our collective consciousness. The cumulative effect has been to lull the American people not into disregard, but ‘unregard’ for Canadiens, in that we think neither bad nor good of them, and tend to think of Canadiens very little at all – and that’s exactly what they’ve planned.
You know that bar-fighting concept where you shouldn’t worry so much about the gargantuan blowhard hurling threats, but keep an eye on that quiet little guy slowly sneaking around behind you? Well, that little guy is a CANADIEN.
Oh, yeah, there’s trouble coming, from our North, but we’re ready. READY.
Perhaps I’ve said too much.
oh dear. mass ‘inialation’ at the hands of the canadians. no doubt it will involve loose meat and hockey. hold me.
Keep up the good work Col Dave L. Advocate. Keanu, we’re watching you!
An Eye Elation.
I sense a tongue-in-cheek, somewhat sarcastic ‘acceptance’ of my assertion about the coming Canadien invasion. Perhaps kabol amd tmac57 hold some level of sympathy for the Canadiens? Hmmm? Perhaps they too bear watching? Hmmm?
Consider Canada’s advance forces, sent to the US to begin the process of undermining our culture as a first step towards undermining our very country itself:
Howie Mandel
Pamela Anderson
Keanu Reeves
Matthew Perry
Corey Haim
Celine Dion
The list goes horrifyingly on and on…
This agression is not ameliorated by the welcome presence of Terry Gilliam, Tommy Chong, Neil Young or…. Natasha Henstridge, whose presence is especially welcomed.
Go ahead, make light of it. It only puts you on The List.
I’m curious why you’re “not entirely free to expound”?
Halliburton has the contract, should be fairly easy to find the construction funding.
This is being done to isolate flu victims, but if i was a Muslim, I would be worried.
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Why would you be nervous if you were a Muslim? This nation’s leadership went through great pains to accommodate Muslims after 9/11 and made sure to identify those who attacked us as terrorists rather than Islamic Fascists and fundamentalists which they were and are. There has never been any rounding up of arabs or muslims in America and they certainly have never been housed by Halliburton.
Why do you hate Halliburton?
sorry not Halliburton , but subsidiary.
http://www.informationclearinghouse.info/article12078.htm
also try
http://www.informationclearinghouse.info/article22245.htm
http://www.informationclearinghouse.info/article15290.htm
official rebuttal
http://www.abovetopsecret.com/forum/fema_rebuttal.html
I am staggered by the number of nominal skeptics who heap blame on the federal government for the devastation left by Katrina. Hear, hear Nayr, your points are well made. I spent 22 years living in New Orleans, a city renowned for its corruption in a state renowned for its corruption. New Orleans’ mayor decamped to, as I recall, Dallas when the storm hit and after inexpilicably not deploying the city’s disaster response plan. None-the-less, he was re-elected by the estimable citizenry of New Orleans.
I am no fan of the federal government. But I don’t abandon critical analysis where the federal government is involved whether it is the misplaced lion’s share of blame for Katrina’s aftermath or the childish belief that a stroke of the federal pen will correct the many problems in American health care while saving money and bringing as many as 40 million newly insured into the system.
The federal government is a huge bureaucracy just like AIG and GM. It is staffed by human beings. Many of the nomenclatura go through their days grinding paperwork through the laws and rules governing their little piece of reality with neither the ability to address nor any particular interest in the specific needs of this or that citizen. The legislature is composed largely of men and women who are at least as interested in keeping their campaign war-chests filled as in doing the people’s business. And finally, we have laws that give broad powers to men like George W. Bush and Barack Obama, opposites polar enough I would hope, to give everyone pause.
So from whence comes the view, apparently widely held in the skeptical community that the federal government is either: a. an evil and heartless bunch bent on exterminating New Orleans and especially its underclass or, b. the embodiment of all that is pure and right; the touch of which will solve all problems great and small?
Give me an effing break.
To understand the search for the camps, and why they can’t seem to be found, understand that KBR has an ongoing contingency contract to build emergency holding facilities as needed. Freedom cages, maybe?
The real concern is here, if you would try doing a little homework instead of counting on the rumor mill…
Since 9/11, our Constitutional rights have been systematically dismantled:
1. USA Patriot Act – A 342 page document presented to Congress one day before voting on it that allows the government access to your bank and email accounts, as well as your medical and phone records with no court order. They can also search your home anytime without a warrant.
2. USA Patriot Act II – This one allows secret government arrests, the legal authority to seize your American citizenship, and the extraction of your DNA if you are deemed a potential terrorist.
3. Military Commissions Act of 2006 – Ends habeas corpus, the right to an attorney, and the right to court review of one’s detention and arrest. Without this most basic right, all other rights are gone too since anyone can be detained indefinitely. Now anyone may be arrested and incarcerated and nobody would know.
4. NSPD 51 – A directive signed by George W. Bush on May 9, 2007, that allows the President to declare martial law, effectively transforming the U.S. into a dictatorship with no checks and balances from the Legislative or Judicial Branches. Parts of this directive are considered classified and members of Congress have been denied the right to review it.
5. Protect America Act of 2007 – Allows unprecedented domestic wiretapping and surveillance activities with a reduction in FISA court oversight. Probable cause is not needed.
6. John Warner Defense Authorization Act – Signed by George W. Bush on October 17, 2007, this act allows the President to declare a public emergency and station troops anywhere in America without the consent of the governor or local authorities to “suppress public disorder.
7. Homegrown Terrorism and Radicalization Act – Passed overwhelmingly by Congress on October 23, 2007, is [still] awaiting a Senate vote. This act will beget a new crackdown on dissent and the Constitutional rights of American citizens. The definitions of “terrorism” and “extremism” are so vague that they could be used to generalize against any group that is working against the policies of the Administration. In this bill, “violent radicalization” criminalizes thought and ideology while “homegrown terrorism” is defined as “the planned use of force to coerce the government.” The term, “force” could encompass political activities such as protests, marches, or any other form of non-violent resistance.
This BS story was invented as a political dirty trick to smear the “other side”, whoever that is. Each side seems to be willing to use it. But so far no actual “camps” and no actual “prisoners”. The ploy typically depends on the fact that there are many, perhaps hundreds of abandoned sites around the country that are owned by the government. Old military sites, old state hospital buildings, even parking lots that are fenced in. You name it, it is a FEMA camp. My question is: what did we call these places before FEMA was created?
Bunch of conspiratards the lot of ‘em.
Did using the expression clusterfucked somehow add to your conclusions? Is this an expression you would use in a college term paper? I don’t understand why you felt the need to use the expression at all. Was the intention to make youself appear hip? If so, I don’t think it worked.
Who the hell says hip anymore? Are you trying to make yourself appear hip? That is just clusterfucked.