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		<title>E Pluribus Unum  for all faiths and for none</title>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 20 Dec 2011 10:00:31 +0000</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>Michael Shermer</dc:creator>
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		<description><![CDATA[When asked about their religion, Michael Shermer encourages presidential candidates to "stop the God talk" and remember that approximately 45 million Americans living under the same Constitution identify themselves as non-religious, humanist, agnostic, atheist, or secularist.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Foreigners could be forgiven for thinking that America is fast becoming a theocracy. No fewer than three of the remaining Republican candidates (Rick Perry, Rick Santorum, and Michele Bachmann) have declared that they were called by God to run for the country’s highest office. Congress recently voted to renew the country’s motto of “In God We Trust” on nothing less than the coin of the realm. And this year’s Thanksgiving Forum in Iowa (co-sponsored by the National Organization for Marriage) featured most of the major Presidential candidates competing for the title of God’s quarterback. </p>
<p>Rick Santorum, for example, in the course of denouncing Islamic Sharia law, inadvertently endorsed the same as long as it is a Christian on the Judge’s bench: “Unlike Islam, where the higher law and the civil law are the same, in our case, we have civil laws. But our civil laws have to comport with the higher law.” Not content to speak in such circular generalities, Santorum targeted his faith: “As long as abortion is legal—at least according to the Supreme Court—legal in this country, we will never have rest, because that law does not comport with God’s law.” God’s law? That is <em>precisely</em> the argument made by Islamic imams. But Santorum was only getting started. “Gay marriage is wrong. The idea that the only things that the states are prevented from doing are only things specifically established in the Constitution is wrong. … As a president, I will get involved, because the states do not have the right to undermine the basic, fundamental values that hold this country together.” Christian values only, of course.<span id="more-16206"></span> </p>
<p>The historically challenged Michele Bachmann minced no words when she declared: “I have a biblical worldview. And I think, going back to the Declaration of Independence, the fact that it’s God who created us—if He created us, He created government. And the government is on His shoulders, as the book of Isaiah says.” A Bachmann administration would apparently consult the Old Testament for moral guidance because, she pronounced with her usual hubris born of historical ignorance, “American exceptionalism is grounded on the Judeo-Christian ethic, which is really based upon the 10 Commandments. The 10 Commandments were the foundation for our law.” Really? Where in our laws does it prohibit belief in gods other than Yahweh, ban the manufacturing of graven images, forbid taking the Lord’s name in vain, bar us from working on the Sabbath, require us to honor our parents, and interdict the coveting of our neighbor’s house, wife, slave, servant, ox, and ass? Even the notoriously difficult to follow 7th commandment is not illegal, much to the relief of candidate Gingrich.  </p>
<p>Surely the pluralism of America’s religious diversity is what makes us great. Not so, said Rick Perry: “In every person’s heart, in every person’s soul, there is a hole that can only be filled by the Lord Jesus Christ.” But don’t politicians owe allegiance to the Constitution? Alas, pace Perry, no. “Somebody’s values are going to decide what the Congress votes on or what the President of the United States is going to deal with. And the question is: Whose values? And let me tell you, it needs to be <em>our</em> values—values and virtues that this country was based upon in Judeo-Christian founding fathers.” You mean the values and virtues of the atheist Thomas Paine and the Deist Thomas Jefferson, the latter of whom rejected Jesus, the resurrection, and all miracles as nonsense on stilts, and yet who nonetheless insisted on building an impregnable wall protecting religion from the encroachment of state abuse?</p>
<p>Finally, the erudite Newt Gingrich was more specific in his plan to bring about a Christian nation through legal means, starting by redacting the 14th Amendment: “I am intrigued with something which Robby George at Princeton has come up with, which is an interpretation of the 14th Amendment, in which it says that Congress shall define personhood. That’s very clearly in the 14th Amendment. And part of what I would like to explore is whether or not you could get the Congress to pass a law which simply says: Personhood begins at conception. And therefore—and you could, in the same law, block the court and just say, ‘This will not be subject to review,’ which we have precedent for. You would therefore not have to have a Constitutional amendment, because the Congress would have exercised its authority under the 14th Amendment to define life, and to therefore undo all of <em>Roe vs. Wade</em>, for the entire country, in one legislative action.” If the 14th Amendment can be averted on a technicality, what about the others?</p>
<p>If you are a Christian, of course, this is the mother’s milk of nursing privilege. Power to the (Christian) people. It’s the oldest trope in history—religious tribalism—and it’s being played out in the land of liberty. So it is prudent for us to educe that other national motto found on the Seal of the United States first proffered by the founding patriarchs John Adams, Benjamin Franklin, and Thomas Jefferson and adopted by an Act of Congress in 1782: <em>E Pluribus Unum—Out of many, one</em>. </p>
<p>How many make up our one? There are 300 million Americans. Gallup, Pew, and other pollsters consistently find that about 10 percent of Americans do not believe in God. That’s 30 million Americans. That’s not all. A 2008 study by the American Religious Identification Survey (ARIS) revealed that between 1990 and 2008 the fastest growing religious group in America were the “Nones,” or people who responded “None, No religion, Humanistic, Ethical Culture, Agnostic, Atheist, or Secular” in the survey. Remarkably, this group gained more new members (19,838,000) than either Catholics (11,195,000) or Protestants (10,980,000), and totals 15 percent, or 45 million Americans. </p>
<p>Read that number again candidates! If you are elected President of these United States are you really going to dismiss and openly refuse to represent 45 million people living under the same Constitution as you? And that’s just the Nones. Tens of millions more Jews, Mormons, Muslims, Buddhists, Hindus, Baha’i, Jains, Taoists, Wiccans, New Agers, and other law-abiding loyal Americans—many serving in the armed services protecting our liberty—are non-Christians who hold the same dreams and aspirations for what this country has to offer as do Christians. In fact, at most Christians comprise 60–76 percent of all Americans, which means that somewhere between 72 million and 120 million U.S. citizens are non-Christians no less deserving of representation in this democracy. </p>
<p>It’s time for candidates and politicians to stop the God talk and start acting like true representatives of the people—<em>all of the people</em>. It’s time for the 45 million Nones to demand both respect and representation no less than any other American, and for presidential candidates, when asked about their religion, to reply something along these lines:</p>
<blockquote><p>I understand why you are curious about my religious beliefs, but I am not running to represent only Americans who happen to believe what I believe about God and religion. I am running to represent Americans of all faiths, and even the tens of millions of Americans who have no religion. If elected, my allegiance is to the Constitution and my duty is to uphold the laws of this great land, which are to be applied equally and without prejudice to all Americans no matter their color or creed. I realize that some candidates and politicians pander to their religious voting block in hopes of gaining support by tapping ancient tribal prejudices, but that is not my way. I get why other candidates are tempted to appeal to those deep emotions that are stirred by religious unity against those who believe differently, but I am trying to do something different. If elected I fully intend to represent <em>all</em> Americans under my jurisdiction, not just those Americans whose beliefs I happen to share. I am trying to build a better America for <em>all</em> Americans, not some. The original motto of this country is <em>E Pluribus Unum</em>. It means “Out of many, one.” It means that we are stronger together than separate, united by our common belief in liberty and the freedom to believe whatever you want as long as it doesn’t harm others. As a candidate for the highest office of this noble nation my faith is in its people—<em>all</em> of the people—and what we are able to do together to make the world a better place to live.</p></blockquote>
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		<title>Pat Tillman’s Atheism</title>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 13 Sep 2011 09:00:05 +0000</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>Michael Shermer</dc:creator>
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		<description><![CDATA[Michael Shermer reviews the 2010 documentary film, The Tillman Story, the story of Pat Tillman and his tragic death at the hands of “friendly fire.” In fact, Tillman was killed at the hands of his fellow soldiers during a “fog of war” incident in a steep and narrow slot canyon in which there was much confusion about where enemy fire was originating. Oh—and Pat Tillman was an atheist…]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<div style="float: right: width: 200px; margin: 10px 0 10px 20px"><a href="http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B004C39E3K/ref=as_li_ss_tl?ie=UTF8&amp;tag=skepticblog05-20&amp;linkCode=as2&amp;camp=217145&amp;creative=399369&amp;creativeASIN=B004C39E3K" title="Order the DVD from Amazon"><img src="http://www.skepticblog.org/wp-content/uploads/tillman-story-cover.jpg" alt="The Tillman Story (DVD cover)" width="200" height="287" class="alignright size-full wp-image-15320" style="border: 0;" /></a></div>
<p>In the 2010 documentary film, <a href="http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B004C39E3K/ref=as_li_ss_tl?ie=UTF8&amp;tag=skepticblog05-20&amp;linkCode=as2&amp;camp=217145&amp;creative=399369&amp;creativeASIN=B004C39E3K"><em>The Tillman Story</em></a>, the story of Pat Tillman and his tragic death at the hands of “friendly fire” is retold. Tillman was the NFL star who gave it all up to join the military cause in Afghanistan after being inspired by 9/11 to do something for his country. He did not do it for the glory or publicity, and gave up a lucrative football career for what he perceived to be a worthy cause. After his death the U.S. government implemented a publicity campaign to use Tillman’s death as a tool to promote the war as a cause so worthy that even a highly-paid NFL star believed it to be worth the sacrifice. What the government failed to mention is that Tillman was killed at the hands of his fellow soldiers during a “fog of war” incident in a steep and narrow slot canyon in which there was much confusion about where enemy fire was originating. It’s a very disturbing film to watch—infuriating in fact—and Jon Krakauer’s book, <a href="http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/030738604X/ref=as_li_ss_tl?ie=UTF8&amp;tag=skepticblog05-20&amp;linkCode=as2&amp;camp=217145&amp;creative=399369&amp;creativeASIN=030738604X"><em>Where Men Win Glory</em></a>, presents the story in excruciating detail in a compelling narrative. </p>
<p>Pat Tillman was an atheist. At his funeral his younger brother Richard got up to speak, visibly upset, noticeably inebriated, and with beer in hand proceeded to thank everyone for their warm sentiments, but upbraided those like Maria Shriver and Senator John McCain who made religious overtones in their sentiments, noting about his brother Pat: “He’s not with God, he’s fucking dead. He’s not religious. Thanks for your thoughts, but he&#8217;s fucking dead.”<span id="more-15316"></span> </p>
<p>Later in the film there is a radio interview presented with Colonel Ralph Kauzlarich, who was the Regimental Executive Officer at Forward Operating Base Salerno on Khost, Afghanistan, under which Tillman was serving at the time of his death, and who led the military investigation into Pat’s death. I found the following exchange to be among the most disturbing things in the entire film that was missed by most reviewers, starting in reference to the grieving Tillman family who were at the time vigorously pursuing an investigation into Pat’s death and the government cover up of it:</p>
<p><strong>Kauzlarich</strong>: “These people are having a hard time letting it go. It may be because of their religious beliefs. I don’t know how an atheist thinks, but I can only imagine that that would be pretty tough. If you’re an atheist and you don’t believe in anything, if you die what is there to go to? Nothing. You’re worm dirt. It’s pretty hard to get your head around that.”</p>
<p><strong>Host</strong>: “So you suspect that’s probably the reason this thing [the family’s persistence in getting to the bottom of Pat’s death] is running on.”</p>
<p><strong>Kauzlarich</strong>: “I think so. There’s not a whole lot of trust in the system or faith in the system.”</p>
<p>So…if you’re an atheist it means that you’re not going to buy into the belief that death—even a tragic, unnecessary, and friendly-fire death—will somehow be made acceptable by the belief that all will be made right in heaven where all the good Conservative Christian soldiers will meet up once again. This is very disturbing. What this knucklehead nincompoop is saying is that if the Tillman family were good Christians they would have gone along with the patriotic platitudes of the military in assuaging everyone’s grief by pretending that it was all done in the name of god and country. But since the Tillmans are atheists it means that they actually want truth and justice now! How inconvenient. How pathetic. And this is yet another point against religious belief: it leads you to blur your focus on the here-and-now and let slip your grip on reality, and allow yourself to be manipulated by those who have neither the conscience nor the courage to stand up for what is right and true. </p>
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		<title>Further Thoughts on Atheism</title>
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		<pubDate>Sat, 06 Mar 2010 00:40:20 +0000</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>Daniel Loxton</dc:creator>
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		<description><![CDATA[Even before I started writing Evolution: How We and All Living Things Came to Be I knew that it would very briefly mention religion, make a mild assertion that religious questions are out of scope for science, and move on. I knew this was likely to provoke blow-back from some in the atheist community, and [...]]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Even before I started writing <em><a href="http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/1554534305?ie=UTF8&amp;tag=skepticcom-20&amp;linkCode=as2&amp;camp=1789&amp;creative=9325&amp;creativeASIN=1554534305">Evolution: How We and All Living Things Came to Be </a><span style="font-style: normal;">I knew </span></em>that it would very briefly mention religion, make a mild assertion that religious questions are out of scope for science, and move on. I knew this was likely to provoke blow-back from some in the atheist community, and I knew mentioning that blow-back in my recent post <a href="http://skepticblog.org/2010/03/02/the-standard-pablum/">&#8220;The Standard Pablum — Science and Atheism&#8221;</a> would generate more. And, I should have realized that I was muddying the water by packaging multiple related issues together in one post: the specific wording of a passage in my book; the question of whether that passage should have been included; and, the wider question of how science and skepticism relate to atheism.</p>
<p>Still, I was surprised by the quantity of the <a href="http://skepticblog.org/2010/03/02/the-standard-pablum/#comments">responses to the blog post</a> (208 comments as of this moment, many of them substantial letters), and also by the fierceness of some of those responses. For example, according to <a href="http://skepticblog.org/2010/03/02/the-standard-pablum/#comment-18613">one</a> poster, &#8220;you not only pandered, you lied. And even if you weren’t lying, you lied.&#8221; (Several took up this &#8220;lying&#8221; theme.) <a href="http://skepticblog.org/2010/03/02/the-standard-pablum/#comment-18668">Another</a>, disappointed that my children&#8217;s book does not tell a general youth audience to look to &#8220;secular humanism for guidance,&#8221; declared  that &#8220;I’d have to tear out that page if I bought the book.&#8221;<span id="more-7126"></span></p>
<p>These reactions seem too strong, especially given that some of these same critics like the book a lot. (I noticed <a href="http://theappleeaters.wordpress.com/2010/03/02/loxton-and-the-standard-pablum/">one outside blog post</a> that devotes almost 1700 words to criticism of my &#8220;ridiculous reasoning,&#8221; only to conclude that Evolution &#8220;is the best children’s book on the science of evolution written.&#8221;)</p>
<p>Now, I don&#8217;t mean to suggest that there are not points of legitimate disagreement in the mix — there are, many of them stated powerfully. There are also statements of support, vigorous debate, and (for me at least) a good deal of food for thought. I invite anyone to <a href="http://skepticblog.org/2010/03/02/the-standard-pablum/#comments">browse the thread</a>, although I&#8217;d urge you to skim some of it. (The internet is after all a hyperbole-generating machine.)</p>
<p>But today I&#8217;d like to concentrate on a tiny sub-topic. Some folks have referred to a &#8220;sense of betrayal&#8221; that a &#8220;prominent skeptic&#8221; would seem to distance himself from fellow atheists.</p>
<p>Let&#8217;s talk about that.</p>
<p>It happens I can relate to this reaction. I&#8217;ve felt it. Many years ago, when I was an undergraduate student and unknown <em>Skeptic</em> reader, I drafted a similar-sounding letter to a genuinely &#8220;prominent&#8221; skeptic I had at that time never met: Michael Shermer. I took exception to Michael&#8217;s habit of referring to himself as a &#8220;non-theist,&#8221; feeling that this left atheists like myself and my loved ones — still a tiny, much-maligned minority with few defenders — out in the cold. (I put a lot of work into that letter, but decided not to send it in the end. I recall that it was a pretty shrill. Worse, I realized I was making assumptions about his motivations, assumptions I couldn&#8217;t support. Incidentally, those curious about Michael&#8217;s nuanced position on atheism may be interested in his article<a href="http://www.michaelshermer.com/2005/06/why-i-am-an-atheist/"> &#8220;Why I Am An Atheist,&#8221;</a> as well as this <a href="http://skepticblog.org/2009/12/01/from-faitheist-to-fundagnostical/">post</a> and this<em> Scientific American</em> <a href="http://www.michaelshermer.com/2007/09/rational-atheism/">article</a>.)</p>
<h4>Do I Distance Myself from Atheism?</h4>
<p>What about me? Do I distance myself from atheism? Well (and I&#8217;ll take this in order), &#8220;sort of,&#8221; and &#8220;not remotely,&#8221; and &#8220;yes.&#8221;</p>
<p><strong>Sort of: </strong>Honestly, I&#8217;m a bit ambivalent about atheist activism. I&#8217;m a big fan of Richard Dawkins, and I&#8217;m very grateful that dedicated activists fight for church-state separation and the rights of non-believers, because I&#8217;m part of that constituency. Still, religion is not my area of primary interest. Furthermore, I&#8217;ll admit that after the last few days I feel a bit disconnected from the atheist movement. (I&#8217;ve seen several commenters <a href="http://skepticblog.org/2010/03/02/the-standard-pablum/#comment-18649">echo this exhaustion</a>.)</p>
<p><strong>Not Remotely: </strong>Be that as it may, I am <em>personally</em> an atheist and a secular humanist. I am not remotely coy about this. I say this directly and frequently in public — even though I am a children&#8217;s book author, and might well be better off being circumspect. Atheistic, science-informed, rational secular humanism is the perspective through which I live my life, raise my family, and relate to my loved ones and to humanity.</p>
<p>I lack any belief in any deity. More than that, I am persuaded (by philosophical argument, not scientific evidence) to a high degree of confidence that gods and an afterlife do not exist.</p>
<p>However,</p>
<p><strong>Yes, </strong>I do try to distinguish between my work as a science writer and skeptical activist on the one hand, and my personal opinions about religion and humanism on the other. There are several discrete reasons for drawing this distinction, and I want to be very clear that I&#8217;m serious about all of them. I&#8217;ll list three here, from least to most important:</p>
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<li><em>Atheism is a practical handicap for science outreach</em>. I&#8217;m not naive about this, but I&#8217;m not cynical either. I&#8217;m a writer. I&#8217;m in the business of communicating ideas about science, not throwing up roadblocks and distractions. It&#8217;s good communication to keep things as clear, focused, and on-topic as possible.</li>
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<li><em>Atheism is divisive for the skeptical community, and it distracts us from our core mandate. </em>I was blunt about this in my 2007 essay <a href="http://www.skeptic.com/downloads/WhereDoWeGoFromHere.pdf">&#8220;Where Do We Go From Here?&#8221;</a>, writing,<br />
<blockquote><p>I’m both an atheist and a secular humanist, but it is clear to me that atheism is an albatross for the skeptical movement. It divides us, it distracts us, and it marginalizes us. Frankly, we can’t afford that. We need all the help we can get.</p></blockquote>
<p>I&#8217;ve continued to emphasize this practical consideration in my work since that time. In<em> <a href="http://www.skeptic.com/downloads/WhatDoIDoNext.pdf">What Do I Do Next? </a></em>I urged skeptics to remember that</p>
<blockquote><p>there are many other skeptics who do hold or identify with some religion. Indeed, the modern skeptical movement is built partly on the work of people of faith (including giants like Harry Houdini and Martin Gardner). You don’t, after all, have to be against god to be against fraud.</p></blockquote>
<p>In my <em>Skeptical Inquirer</em> article <a href="http://www.csicop.org/si/show/paradoxical_future_of_skepticism/">&#8220;The Paradoxical Future of Skepticism&#8221;</a> I argued that</p>
<blockquote><p>skeptics must set aside the conceit that our goal is a cultural revolution or the dawning of a new Enlightenment. … When we focus on that distant, receding, and perhaps illusory goal, we fail to see the practical good we can do, the harm-reduction opportunities right in front of us. The long view subverts our understanding of the scale and hazard of paranormal beliefs, leading to sentiments that the paranormal is “trivial” or “played out.” By contrast, the immediate, local, human view — the view that asks “Will this help someone?” — sees obvious opportunities for every local group and grassroots skeptic to make a meaningful difference.</p></blockquote>
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<p>This practical argument, that skepticism can get more done if we keep our mandate tight and avoid alienating our best friends, seems to me an important one. Even so, it is <em>not</em> my main reason for arguing that atheism and skepticism are different projects.</p>
<p>If I honestly thought atheism was in scope for skepticism, I would say so. Certainly that would save me some criticism from fellow skeptics. But I don&#8217;t. In my opinion,</p>
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<li><em>Metaphysics and ethics are out of scope for science — and therefore out of scope for skepticism.</em> This is by far the most important reason I set aside my own atheism when I put on my &#8220;skeptic&#8221; hat. It&#8217;s not that I don&#8217;t think atheism is<em> rational</em> — I do. That&#8217;s why I&#8217;m an atheist. But I know that I cannot claim scientific authority for a conclusion that science cannot test, confirm, or disprove. And so, I restrict myself as much as possible, in my role as a skeptic and science writer, to investigable claims. I&#8217;ve become a cheerleader for this &#8220;testable claims&#8221; criterion (and I&#8217;ll discuss it further in future posts) but it&#8217;s not a new or radical constriction of the scope of skepticism. It&#8217;s the traditional position occupied by skeptical organizations for decades.</li>
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<p>A lot of the friction I encounter on this point seems to come from people who wish &#8220;skepticism&#8221; to  refer to a general rationalist outlook. There are books worth of conversation to be had there, but I&#8217;ll suggest briefly that we already have other words to mean that, words like &#8220;rationalist&#8221; or &#8220;humanist.&#8221; Scientific, investigatory skepticism is something unique and valuable. Merging skepticism with other parallel movements only diminishes that value.</p>
<h4>Final Thoughts</h4>
<p>In much of the commentary, I see an assumption that I must not <em>really</em> believe that testable paranormal and pseudoscientific claims (&#8220;I can read minds&#8221;) are different in kind from the untestable claims we often find at the core of religion (&#8220;god exists&#8221;). I acknowledge that many smart people disagree on this point, but I assure you that this is indeed what I think.</p>
<p>Saying that, I&#8217;d like to call out <a href="http://skepfeeds.wordpress.com/2010/03/02/the-skeptics-dilemma-to-be-or-not-to-be/">one blogger&#8217;s response</a> to my &#8220;Standard Pablum&#8221; post. The author certainly disagrees with me (we&#8217;ve discussed the topic often on Twitter), but I thank him for describing my position fairly:</p>
<blockquote><p>From what I’ve read of Daniel’s writings before, this seems to be a very consistent position that he has always maintained, not a new one he adopted for the book release. It appears to me that when Daniel says that science has nothing to say about religion, he really means it. I have nothing to say to that. It also appears to me that when he says skepticism is a “different project than atheism” he also means it.</p></blockquote>
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		<title>&#8220;The Standard Pablum&#8221; — Science and Atheism</title>
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		<dc:creator>Daniel Loxton</dc:creator>
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		<description><![CDATA[I&#8217;m pleased to say that the release of Evolution: How We and All Living Things Came to Be has been enjoying quite a bit of attention from skeptics — which has helped this full-color kids&#8217; book get off to a great start. Perhaps the most rewarding moment for me so far was receiving a warmly positive quote [...]]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m pleased to say that the release of <em><a href="http://www.skeptic.com/productlink/b136HB">Evolution: How We and All Living Things Came to Be</a></em> has been enjoying quite a bit of attention from skeptics — which has helped this full-color kids&#8217; book get off to a great start. Perhaps the most rewarding moment for me so far was receiving a warmly positive quote from Dr. Eugenie Scott (Executive Director of the National Center for Science Education and 2010 National Academy of Sciences &#8220;Public Welfare Medal&#8221; recipient). Genie is one of the softest, yet most forthright and resolute voices in skepticism, and a great inspiration to me personally. You can imagine my elation when she said,</p>
<blockquote><p>I am just so delighted with this book! Loxton hits the key concepts perfectly, and without being stuffy about it. A wonderful book to donate to your local library.</p></blockquote>
<p>I was similarly honored to receive positive reviews from <a href="http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/badastronomy/2010/02/03/evolution-for-kids/">Phil Plait</a> and from P.Z. Myers — both among the most popular science bloggers on Earth. I just about did cartwheels when P.Z. unexpectedly urged readers to <a href="http://scienceblogs.com/pharyngula/2010/02/evolution_how_we_and_all_livin.php">&#8220;order a copy fast for the kids in your life!&#8221;</a></p>
<p>P.Z., did, however, dislike one subsection of <em>Evolution:</em></p>
<blockquote><p>I recommend it highly, but with one tiny reservation. The author couldn&#8217;t resist the common temptation to toss in something about religion at the end, and he gives the wrong answer: it&#8217;s the standard pablum, and he claims that &#8220;Science as a whole has nothing to say about religion.&#8221;</p></blockquote>
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<p>I definitely would not wish to bellyache about a small part of a very kind (and much-appreciated) review, with which I&#8217;m genuinely very pleased. It strikes me, though, that P.Z.&#8217;s concern offers a convenient access point for a topic I&#8217;ve been meaning to touch upon: the relationship between skepticism and atheism.</p>
<p><strong>Pandering to Religion?</strong></p>
<p>It might be useful at this point if I quote the entirety of this brief sub-section from my book:</p>
<blockquote><p><strong>What about religion?</strong></p>
<p>This is a question people often ask when wondering about evolution. They want to connect the discoveries of science to their religious understanding.</p>
<p>Unfortunately, this isn&#8217;t something science can help with. Individual scientists may have personal opinions about religious matters, but science as a whole has nothing to say about religion.</p>
<p>Science is our most reliable method for sorting out how the natural world functions, but it can&#8217;t tell us what those discoveries mean in a spiritual sense. Your family, friends and community leaders are the best people to ask about religious questions.</p></blockquote>
<p>In blogs, tweets, and direct messages, quite a few of my friends in the atheist community have raised concerns about this section, calling it &#8220;the pandering paragraph&#8221; or &#8220;one of the only parts I disagree with in your book.&#8221;</p>
<p>My editor was caught off guard by this sharp focus on a minute sub-section, but I knew in advance that this was likely. It follows from an old, old split within the skeptical community. On the one hand, there are skeptics who see god as simply the granddaddy of all paranormal claims; on the other hand, there are those who think the core claims of theistic belief are different in kind from testable paranormal claims, and therefore out of scope for scientific skepticism.</p>
<p>I am part of this latter group. I think skepticism is a different project than atheism. This is the de facto position for most skeptical and scientific organizations, but advocating this in the wake of the new atheism has become a bit of a lonely thing to do.</p>
<p><strong>Cynical Fibbing?</strong></p>
<p>I don&#8217;t mean to imply that atheist reviewers are unkind in their critiques of this section of my book. Quite the opposite: a common theme seems to be sympathy that I was (they feel) forced to make this concession. P.Z., for example, writes,</p>
<blockquote><p>It&#8217;s only two paragraphs, and I sympathize with the sad fact that speaking the truth on this matter — that science says your religion is false — is likely to get the book excluded from school libraries everywhere….</p></blockquote>
<p>Likewise, according to a <a href="http://openparachute.wordpress.com/2010/02/12/one-for-the-kids/">kind reviewer</a> from New Zealand,</p>
<blockquote><p>Loxton’s inadequate reply was unavoidable, given the unwritten social rule that religion has a special role in our society. That we are not allowed to criticise religion. Any properly adequate reply would have lead to people being “offended” and campaigns to exclude the book for schools.</p></blockquote>
<p>This idea — that anything short of a denunciation of religion must entail dishonesty — is quite common among atheist activists. In a fascinating <a href="http://www.forgoodreason.org/richard_dawkins_framing_charles_darwin">Darwin Day episode </a>of the JREF&#8217;s <em>For Good Reason </em>podcast, heavyweight Richard Dawkins remarks,</p>
<blockquote><p>there are times when I can be persuaded by some of my colleagues that it would be better, for example, for the cause of getting proper science education in American schools if people like me and PZ Myers and Jerry Coyne were a little bit nicer to religious people. But I think it&#8217;s OK if some people are like that, but I really do passionately care about what&#8217;s true — what&#8217;s true about the world, what&#8217;s true about the universe. And I&#8217;m not one who&#8217;s going to compromise on that for the sake of some kind of political expediency. Others can do that, and maybe they&#8217;re politically wise to do that — but I can&#8217;t go along with that. I care too much about the truth.</p></blockquote>
<p>Let&#8217;s look at that. Are the only two choices confrontation or dishonesty? Does being &#8220;a little bit nicer to religious people&#8221; necessarily entail a &#8220;compromise…for the sake of some kind of political expediency&#8221;?</p>
<p>I respectfully submit that the answer is &#8220;no.&#8221; It has long struck me as strange that atheists and religious fundamentalists share an assumption that atheism and acceptance of evolution are the same thing. This assumption is,  at least in demographic terms, incorrect. Discussions about public attitudes toward evolution typically neglect a remarkable fact:</p>
<p>In North America, <a href="http://www.gallup.com/poll/21814/evolution-creationism-intelligent-design.aspx"><em>most</em> of the people who accept evolution <em>are religious</em>.</a></p>
<p>And, I don&#8217;t mean by a small margin, either. We&#8217;re talking about an overwhelming majority. For decades, Americans who think &#8220;Human beings have developed over millions of years from less advanced forms of life, but God guided this process&#8221; have consistently outnumbered those who think God had no part in evolution by margin of <em>three to one</em> (or more). Some of these theistic evolutionists subscribe to an Intelligent Design-type belief that is clearly not supported by the evidence, but many mean something altogether more metaphysical (such as the common Catholic idea that god infused immaterial souls into hominids at some point in human evolution, or the notion that all natural processes are divinely ordained).</p>
<p>Given that, I think we can confidently conclude that <em>most</em> people who say evolution is compatible with god say so, not for political expediency, but because this is what they believe.</p>
<h4>But I Am Not Religious</h4>
<p>Among those who accept evolution, I am not part of that theistic majority. It happens that I am a thoroughly secular atheist. Does <em>Evolution, </em>then, intentionally avoid confronting theism because, as one reviewer suggests, a &#8220;clear comment on religion probably would have prevented the book getting into many schools&#8221;?</p>
<p>Nope. The statement in the book is simplified more than I&#8217;d prefer (the sociology and biology of belief are valid areas of inquiry, and religiously-flavored <em>empirical</em> claims like weeping statues may of course be investigated by science) but it is what I actually think: that evolution happened; that science is our best means of discovering the natural world; and that metaphysics is not my job.</p>
<p>It is my opinion that the <em>core claims of most religions are out of scope for science</em>, and thus for scientific skepticism. No experiment or observation can shed any direct light on the types of religious claims that people care most about — claims such as the existence of souls, god, or an afterlife.</p>
<p>I&#8217;m reminded of the exchange in which the Fourteenth Dalai Lama told Carl Sagan it would be &#8220;hard to disprove&#8221; reincarnation. &#8220;Plainly,&#8221; Sagan concluded,</p>
<blockquote><p>the Dalai Lama is right. Religious doctrine that is insulated from disproof has little reason to worry about the advance of science. The grand idea, common to many faiths, of a Creator of the Universe is one such doctrine — difficult alike to demonstrate or to dismiss.</p></blockquote>
<p>Such ideas cannot even be formulated as scientific questions. Critiquing them is clearly outside the scope of a natural history book for kids.</p>
<h4>Then Why Include that Section At All?</h4>
<p>P.Z. Myers suggests that &#8220;it would have been better to leave it out than to perpetuate this silly myth [that science cannot disprove theism].&#8221;</p>
<p>Should I have omitted this sub-section? Perhaps, but I don&#8217;t think so. In fact, I fought to include it, arguing that it might be the most important part of the book. After all, the concept of the book was to raise and discuss common concerns. This question, &#8220;What about religion?&#8221; is, without any doubt the single most common concern people have when they consider the evidence for evolution. I could hardly ignore that.</p>
<p>So, how did I answer this sensitive and nearly universal question?</p>
<p>As simply and honestly as I knew how.</p>
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		<title>From Faitheist to Fundagnostical</title>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 01 Dec 2009 12:00:04 +0000</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>Michael Shermer</dc:creator>
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		<description><![CDATA[Last week, while I was giving thanks for an abundance of family, friends, and food, a brouhaha was brewing over an invited opinion editorial I wrote for CNN celebrating the 150th anniversary of the publication of Charles Darwin’s On the Origin of Species (on Tuesday, November 24). The title, “Religion, Evolution can Live Side by [...]]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Last week, while I was giving thanks for an abundance of family, friends, and food, a brouhaha was brewing over an invited <a href="http://www.cnn.com/2009/OPINION/11/23/shermer.why.darwin.matters/">opinion editorial I wrote for CNN</a> celebrating the 150th anniversary of the publication of Charles Darwin’s <a href="http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/1402756399?ie=UTF8&#038;tag=skepticcom-20&#038;linkCode=as2&#038;camp=1789&#038;creative=390957&#038;creativeASIN=1402756399"><em>On the Origin of Species</em></a> (on Tuesday, November 24).</p>
<p>The title, “Religion, Evolution can Live Side by Side,” was written by the CNN editors, but it does capture the thrust of the piece which I concluded by noting that if you are a believer in an eternal god, what difference does six zeros make on when the creation happened — 10,000 or 10,000,000,000 years ago — or by what method of creation was used: spoken word or big bang?</p>
<p>Well, this <a href="http://whyevolutionistrue.wordpress.com/2009/11/26/michael-shermer-theologian/">set off a mild firestorm</a> among some observers of the science-and-religion debate, most prominently the estimable Jerry Coyne, the author of one of the best books ever written on the subject, <em>Why Evolution is True</em>, in his website of the same title called me an “accommodationist” and even a “faitheist” (“faith atheist”?)<span id="more-5341"></span></p>
<p>I <a href="http://trueslant.com/michaelshermer/2009/11/27/realist-not-“accommodationist”-what-is-the-“right-way”-to-respond-to-theists/">responded to Jerry on my TRUE/SLANT blog</a>, and had a good horselaugh (which according to Martin Gardner trumps 10,000 syllogisms) at the comment by Lewis Grossberger (who also blogs at True/Slant): “As far as I’m concerned, there’s only one thing worse than a faitheist — and that’s a fundagnostical. I hope you’re not one of those.”</p>
<p>Continuing in the neologistic theme, “Furcas” says that my writing is “faitheistic accommodationism in its purest and most disgusting form.”</p>
<p>Another good horselaugh was provided by a physicist <a href="http://helives.blogspot.com/2009/11/michael-shermer-did-not-expect-spanish.html<br />
">at his own blog</a>: “Michael Freakin’ Shermer’s heart is not pure enough for Jerry Coyne. If Jerry Falwell’s circle of orthodoxy was, say, 1 meter in radius, then His Worshipfulness The Right Reverend Jerry Coyne’s circle of orthodoxy has a radius of, roughly, a Planck Length.”</p>
<p><a href="http://santitafarella.wordpress.com/2009/11/26/dissent-in-new-atheistland-jerry-coyne-takes-after-michael-shermer/">This comment</a> well captured my position and needs no further comment:</p>
<blockquote><p>What Shermer is trying to make peace with are sensible moderate theists, not fundamentalists. It is the people in the middle, not those on the fringes, who will, ultimately, determine the virulence of religion and irreligion. Shermer is trying to reduce religion’s virulence, not embracing fundamentalist ownership of the Bible, and it’s ridiculous interpretations of it. Shermer is right to reclaim the Bible as part of the Western cultural patrimony, and not leave it to fundamentalists to tell us what it means, and the implications to be drawn from it.</p></blockquote>
<p>How one responds to theists all depends on the context and goals of the response. I think we nonbelievers have fallen into black-and-white thinking on the question of “what is the ‘right way’ to respond?” The answer is that <em>there is more than one way</em>. There are multiple ways, all of which work, depending on the context. Sometimes a head-on, take-no-prisoners, full-frontal assault á la Richard Dawkins, Christopher Hitchens, or Jerry Coyne is the way to go. Sometimes a more conciliatory approach á la Carl Sagan, Stephen Jay Gould, or your humble servant is best. It all depends on the context and what you are trying to accomplish. </p>
<p>By the way, agreeing with my alleged critics for a moment, I do not actually think that Dawkins and Hitchens are rude or disrespectful. If you read their works or listen to them in public lectures and debates, they are forceful, clear, and unwaivering, but they are not disrespectful. Watch, for example, the recent body slam Hitchens and Stephen Fry gave the Catholic Church for its stance on women’s rights, birth control, and 3rd-world poverty. It was focused and direct, but not disrespectful.</p>
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<p>It is my goal, and the goal of the <a href="http://www.skeptic.com/">Skeptics Society</a>, to educate as many people as possible about the power and wonders of science and to employ science to solve social, political, economic, medical and environmental problems. As such, we need as many people as we can get on board with a common goal, whatever it may be (starvation in Africa, disease in India, poverty in South America, global warming everywhere … pick your battle). My concern is that if we insist that people of faith renounce every last ounce of their beliefs before they are allowed to join the common fight against these scourges of humanity, we have just alienated the vast majority of the world’s population from our project. </p>
<p>Sometimes religion is the problem — and when it is let’s not hesitate to call it out. I did so myself on the day before Thanksgiving on Hugh Hewitt’s radio show in a <a href="http://www.hughhewitt.com/transcripts.aspx?id=e28a84d7-ddbc-46ac-9f72-30ee8ca6edae">debate with Dinesh D’Souza</a> when Hewitt insisted that we thank God for our abundance and that believing in God leads to a prosperous nation like America. I pointed out — without accommodationism, faitheism, or fundagnosticalism — that 99% of everyone in Peru is Christian and yet they are dirt poor. Why? Because of warring political factions, governmental corruption, lack of education, resource depletion, currency debasement, inflation, and especially the lack of property rights and the rule of law. </p>
<p>So let’s not accommodate or pander in those areas where religion is clearly a problem or unmistakably mistaken. But not all (or even very many) social problems are caused by religion, so let’s pick our battles carefully and choose our strategies wisely.</p>
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