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Homeland Security Buying Ammunition (Again)

by Brian Dunning, Sep 20 2012

News on the conspiracy websites is once again reporting that the US Department of Homeland Security is making huge purchases of ammunition, which they believe is to be used against American citizens. For the entire decade I’ve been following the conspiracy theorists, they’ve been predicting the imminent war on the American people by the American government. That this prediction has always failed to come true every time it’s been made has not seemed to suggest to any of them that perhaps the idea should be reviewed.

This particular report from our old friends at InfoWars cites a purchase of 750 million rounds of ammunition in addition to a previous purchase of 450 million rounds. Evidently it has not occurred to anyone at InfoWars to consider reasons for this other than a war on the citizens.

Why else might Homeland Security buy ammunition? You don’t have to be Sherlock Holmes to figure it out. Homeland Security encompasses a huge number of federal agencies. It’s not just FEMA and the TSA, whom the conspiracy theorists usually name as the agencies on the verge of declaring war against us. DHS also includes these five agencies, all of whom blow through a lot of ammo, and are in a constant state of readiness to blow through a whole lot more:

  • Federal Law Enforcement Training Center
  • United States Customs and Border Protection
  • United States Immigration and Customs Enforcement
  • United States Coast Guard
  • United States Secret Service

It’s fine to harbor ideological objections to the idea of DHS, FEMA, TSA, what have you; and fine to keep a sharp watchdog eye on the government. What’s stupid is to just make up infantile crap without even taking the trouble to check Wikipedia to see where that ammunition is needed.

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66 Responses to “Homeland Security Buying Ammunition (Again)”

  1. Jimmy Russell says:

    My jimmies remain unrustled.

  2. tmac57 says:

    I think it’s a conspiracy to boost the economy,because each time one of the various gun related scares goes viral,there are thousands of fearful gun owners scrambling to buy and stockpile more weapons and ammunition.Good for the economy!

  3. Chris Howard says:

    And if they’re like other federal agencies I’m guessing that they have very specific rules as to when, how, how much, where, what and who they may buy from.

    I’m guessing that the conspiracy people don’t fully understand the amount of time a federal officer has to spend on the shooting range just to maintain their certification, or the fact that ammunition does have a shelf life, and will eventually go “bad.” So anything that Homeland has stockpiled, incase of emergency, they have to replenish due to unused munitions which have reached the point of expiration.

    I’m guessing those reasons are too mundane?

    • Chris Howard says:

      Of course Alex (I lived in Austin for around 20 years, and remember when no one knew him. Just a guy with a public access show, so I think I can call him Alex) has done pretty well exploiting fear, and paranoia for personal gain. I’m fairly certain that he is a true believer, and doesn’t feel that he’s exploiting anyone for personal gain, but beliefs and facts often run counter to each other.

    • Jim Weinzierl says:

      Chris ,since when do you need high power hollow points for target practice ?

    • rod says:

      Chris… yea, no your wrong. I have shot ammo with a 1943 head stamp so it may go bad, but not in over 50 years will it. and you dont use hollow point ammo to practice or ” to maintain their certification,” and they ordered and now have enough ammo to shoot every man woman and child in the USA 4 times. and hollow point ammo can not be used out side the US or in war or by US military outside of the USA. so tell me again what this ammo is for. not for any of the reason you have listed… but dont believe me look it up.

    • Brad Hoffmeister says:

      You people are all wrong, This goes to show that you are blinded by the truth. Information coming from HIGH rank US ARMY officals state they do not have much ammo as the stock pile has been moved to another divison, HOMELAND SECURITY AND FEMA camps. It is sad that the officers are having to purhcase ammo for there duty weapons because this radical muslim biggot is spending our taxs dollars so he can creat fear in the society. He is a Foreign and Domestic Terrorist and should be treated as such. It is ironic we are downsizing out military and send equipment to UN troops and of to these radical Muslim brotherhoods. NIEVE AND BLIND YOU PEOPLE ARE. Keep drinking the Grape joice!!!!

  4. Trimegistus says:

    The conservative gun-owning community debunked this one months ago, by pointing out how many rounds one goes through in ordinary proficiency practice. The only ones flogging this issue now are Obama supporters desperately looking for ways to portray their opponents as extremists.

    • I don’t think you could refer to InfoWars as “Obama supporters”.

      • Max says:

        He’s not saying that the conspiracy theorists are Obama supporters, he’s saying that Obama supporters are trying to portray the conservative gun-owning community as conspiracy theorists. Well, those who are fans of InfoWars are conspiracy theorists.

    • Student says:

      Ironic that a statement which was made with no political leaning is instantly interpreted as a political assault, by the always crazy, Trimegistus. Is there anything you can succeed at understanding without turning it into a horrible distortion?

      Pointing out the flawed reasoning of conspiracy theorists is a good thing, regardless of who does it, including your conservative buddies, and nowhere did Dunning criticise your particular team (In fact, he tacitly endorsed the view of keeping an eye on the government). Of course, what a rabid Obama supporter!

    • itzac says:

      I’m not sure how you reconcile “the US Department of Homeland Security is making huge purchases of ammunition, which they believe is to be used against American citizens.” with “Obama supporters.”

      Unless you believe Obama supporters think the US DHS using ammunition against American citizens is a good thing. Which would be terribly uncharitable.

    • Beelzebud says:

      It’s amazing that after supposedly reading this, your immediate reaction was to somehow twist this to being the fault of “Obama supporters”.

      No pal, it’s the fault of Infowars. This is what Alex Jones does. No one is talking about this except the hardcore conspiracy nuts.

      Partisan politics has nothing to do with it.

    • Seganku says:

      Trolling Proper.

    • headscratcher says:

      I know this post is old, but I recently heard about this conspiracy theory so I’m interested in sorting the facts. Not sure if this is fully accurate, but from what I understand, the ammo that was ordered was hollow point. As a gun owner, I can tell you, hollow points are considerably more expensive than what are known as full metal jacket rounds and are specifically designed to expand as they hit their targets, therefore inflicting a substantially larger wound. This is why it’s actually against the Hague Convention of 1899 to use them in combat (also not used by NATO as a standard). They are not what you’d pick out for target practice. On the other hand, the rounds do reduce risk of injury to bystanders since the exit velocity through a target is greatly reduced (which, is why they’re preferred by law enforcement). This is the correct reason for why DHS would purchase hollow points. It’s not for standard proficiency practice.

  5. Jake222skeptic says:

    i want to become a member

  6. Jake222skeptic says:

    this is all insane and im ready to attempt to act upon it instead of waiting it out because science, history, and religion sais its all true. the only thing that doesnt say its true is our government… brainwashing has what its been about all along and its about your perception.

    • LovleAnjel says:

      How will you act upon it?

    • Student says:

      Science, history and religion all say what is true, and why is it that religion is necessarily an important factor in this?

      And, where does the brainwashing come from: If there was brainwashing at work, people wouldn’t be coming up with stupid conspiracies now would they? That’s a result of them being entirely free-minded enough to act like disruptive but ultimately harmless intellectual dead-ends.

    • Chris Howard says:

      Don’t do anything I wouldn’t do!

    • tmac57 says:

      I would encourage you to spend all of your life savings buying a remote piece of land in Montana,building an armed compound,and stocking it with food for 10 years,and buying lots and lots of fuel,water,clothing,guns,knives,books (lots and lots of books)basically anything you can get your hands on,and encourage everyone you know to do the same,and do it before this election day,so the economic indicators have a chance to improve.
      Be a patriot…buy something…help the unemployed!

  7. Steve B says:

    When I looked through the purchase orders I couldn’t figure out how it added up to such a big number. I think I came up with 75 million rounds over 5 years. But, the documents weren’t easy for me to understand so I could have been wrong. There was a type in one that was later corrected, also.

  8. Steve B says:

    Here’s the link to the purchase orders I mentioned in case anyone is interested. https://www.fbo.gov/index?s=opportunity&mode=form&tab=core&id=af238e489ad305f989938ee81e9be70e&_cview=0

  9. Max says:

    The InfoWars report says that the ammo is purchased by the Federal Law Enforcement Training Center. Their conspiracist spin on it is, “Although the ammo purchases are ostensibly earmarked for training purposes, the DHS has been reticent to clarify why such an unusually large amount of rounds are necessary and why such powerful bullets are required merely for training drills. This has led to speculation that the purchases are connected to confirmed preparations for civil unrest in the United States.”

    • Max says:

      In that quote, “reticent to clarify” linked to a Russia Today report about the previous purchase of 450 million rounds for Immigration and Customs Enforcement. That report used a similar line: “While ammunition itself seems not too unreasonable of a request by a major federal entity that emphasizes domestic durability and safeguarding the country from coast to coast, the choice — and quantity — of its hollow point order raises a lot of questions about future plans for the DHS.”

      Ok, what’s a reasonable quantity?

      • markx says:

        Homeland security headcount about 200,000.

        Say 100,000 are active:

        450 millon rounds divided by 100,000 shooters practicing is 4,500 rounds per shooter.

        If this 450 million was a year’s supply, then that gives them about 86 rounds per week each for practice.

      • Dirk says:

        I take it that you are not a regular shooter, but to clarify 86 rounds is not much for a person that does practice. I have days that I put 200 to 600 rounds through a pistol. (The Math: 200 rounds, assuming a small 10 round clip, but most are more = 20 clips, which is shooting 1 clip every 3 minutes.) Usually if I shoot, I am there for over an hour. So 86 rounds is not much for a full week.

        However, majority of people do not practice or they shoot a bunch of ammo in the first month after getting it. So I imagine the government has found out that if they only give them a small amount, they get out of practice since they are not going to buy any of their own ammo to practice. So they are better off giving them the amount they will actually shoot, but hopefully periodically throughout the year.

      • JEFFREY H says:

        I HAVE BEEN IN THE PAST AN AVID SHOOTER BUT THESE ROUNDS ARE SHOWN TO BE HOLLOW POINT AMMO. NOT SOMETHING ONE WOULD USE FOR TARGET PRACTICE THAT IS WHAT CONCERNS ME. NOT THE AMOUNT OF AMMO PURCHASED THE THE KIND THAT IS BEING PURCHASED AND IF YOU ARE AN AVID SHOOTER YOU KNOW WHAT THE INTENTIONS OF HOLLOW POINT AMMUNITION IS FOR AND THAT IS SIMPLY TO INCREASE THE CHANGES OF KILLING OR MAMING ONES TARGET AS THE BULLET EXPANDS AT THIS IS NOT THE NORMAL KIND OF AMMUNITION POLICE OR PEAVE OFFICERS WOULD NORMALLY CARRY AND SURE NOT WHAT THEY WOULD USE IN PRACTICING.

  10. d brown says:

    “powerful bullets are required merely for training drills” Right, make them train with BB guns. Remember when they said the inter-net would make people smarter?

    • Dirk says:

      d brown, you are misinterpreting. “Powerful bullets” is probably better stated as expensive high performance bullets designed to open up and cause damage to tissue. Why use those for practice when simple less expensive practice bullets of the same caliber can be used.

  11. GoneWithTheWind says:

    You are absolutely correct. There could be lots of reasons for Homeland Security to need that much ammo. Following is a complete list of all the other reasons for this:

    1. . .

    ahhh. . .

    errr….

    Maybe . . .

    Nope! Not a single other reason.

  12. d brown says:

    There are new tests of the brain that show how it is actually acting. I know of three different sets of tests with different kind of tests that showed many people with a strong reaction to things that the rest of us simply do not notice. In all cases the personal information from the people tested showed those said they were socially conservative. The data is there. It looks like many of us send their lives being fearful, and its not their own doing. Maybe can’t help looking for things to be afraid of, and people who will protect them. From something they can’t name but do feel

  13. Richard Dress says:

    I’m new at it but a thousand round a week for practice does not seem far-fetched. I know I would need that much practice ammo to be proficient. But that is way too expensive for me, even using the normal non-magnetic indoor practice ammunition that does not bounce back on you. I saw that they were buying .40S&WHP. Nobody can afford to use hollow points as practice ammo, I refuse to believe that they can put a purchase order through the system that wants to use that expensive anti-person HP kind of ammo for practice. Someone convince me of that, please, and set my mind at ease.

    • V Razor says:

      I have several friends that are Law Enforcement- at different levels. They know that I carry, and I enjoy some practice now and then. I frequently get calls from them to come out to the range and help them cycle through rounds that are getting old. So it isn’t at all far-fetched to have to replace out self-defense rounds (as opposed to regular plinking hard-ball).

      You should also know that those that carry are encouraged to take periodic practice with the actual self-defense round you intend to use- the feel of the gun, accuracy of the round can be quite different when shifting between a good self-defense round and regular hard-ball.

      In addition to these two points, I am going to take an educated guess that the government’s per-round cost is most certainly far lower than retail cost that you and I have to spend on the self-defense rounds.

      • Richard Dress says:

        Government Requests for Solicitations require an economic analysis to support a purchase, I believe. That’s why I don’t think a buy that big could be justified for training. It’s not so much the govt cost vs civilian costs, but the internal govt comparison of using HP for training purposes (in such a large quantity). That’s my take, anyway.

  14. Walter Clark says:

    Can somebody do the numbers please?
    how many agents shoot, how often, and so on.
    Also, has there been an update on the number of hollow points?
    Walt

  15. Richard Dress says:

    This is another interesting tidbit from the Daily Caller: “In the war in Iraq, our military forces expended approximately 70 million rounds per year. In March DHS ordered 750 million rounds of hollow point ammunition. It then turned around and ordered an additional 750 million rounds of miscellaneous bullets including some that are capable of penetrating walls. This is enough ammunition to empty five rounds into the body of every living American citizen.

    Read more: http://dailycaller.com/2012/08/17/who-does-the-government-intend-to-shoot/#ixzz27XPo0qDK

    That’s a lot of practice hollow point ammo, not to mention speciality ammo for in close work. What’s up?

  16. Richard Dress says:

    Of course, the most interesting explanation is the one they won’t tell so we have make all these guesses. Why are we guessing? That is ominous, isn’t it?

  17. Dr Richard W Biek says:

    Hollow tip rounds are for killing people. They are much more expensive than conventional rounds that would be used for training and practice.

  18. joe says:

    I’m not sure that is ethical, gentlemanly or intelligent to refer to ones opponent’s views as “stupid crap”. Time will tell who is right or wrong in this controversy. I’ve been around for seventy decades and I have seen a lot of political disagreements and conspiratorial ideas among the American people, but this is the first time that I’ve heard from normal, intelligent and good people that our government leaders are planning to kill us! What is so out of kilter in our society that would produce such feelings?

  19. joe says:

    suggestions?
    Never mind.

  20. joe says:

    I’m not sure that it is ethical, gentlemanly or intelligent to refer to ones opponent’s views as “stupid crap”. Time will tell who is right or wrong in this controversy. I’ve been around for seventy decades and I have seen a lot of political disagreements and conspiratorial ideas among the American people, but this is the first time that I’ve heard from normal, intelligent and good people that our government leaders are planning to kill us! What is so out of kilter in our society that would cause people to think such things?

  21. JASON says:

    To Brian Dunning
    Hey genius-how many times in the past have they ever bought that much ammuniton….? And by the way, if you are relying on wikipedia for your information then you are already behind the curve. Wake up man. All you gotta do is open your eyes and look around.

    • JB says:

      You don’t seem to get how this “evidence” thing works… you can’t convince us that the government is going to kill us just by saying “wake up man.”

  22. Dirk says:

    New conspiracy theory proposed by a friend of mine. I have no clue if it makes sense and have not checked any numbers. Suppose the government buys a bunch of bullets and manufactures can only keep up with the government quota. Law of supply and demand would say that prices for bullets in stores would go up if there’s a shortage. Suppose this lasted for years and years. How many people would become disgusted with shooting costs and stop shooting? It’s a ripple effect decreasing NRA support, criminals would become the majority still using firearms, etc. Would it be a lot easier to pass anti-gun legislation then?

    PS.. I imagine it takes longer to manufacture hollowpoints, HST or other types of bullets that they purchased over the time it takes to manufacture simple roundnose bullets for practice.

  23. Rwolf says:

    Could Obama use NDAA To Arrest Militias on the Premise members are Militants and Belligerents that pose a threat to National Security?

    Recently the Obama administration stated to Federal Judge Katherine Forest that under (NDAA) The National Defense Act of 2012 the President had authorization to lock up belligerents indefinitely. That they (were justified) to lock belligerents up indefinitely—because cases involving belligerents directly-aligned with militants against the good of America—warrants such punishment.) Pres. Obama could use NDAA provisions to order U.S. Military Forces to round up without evidence, millions of Americans including militias by alleging they are belligerents or a threat to National Security. Many observers believe Obama intends to extend NDAA to imprison U.S. Citizens in Indefinite Detention not involved with or associated with enemy forces.

    Hitler included similar provisions in his fascist (Discriminatory Decrees signed February 28, 1933). Almost Immediately after the German Parliament passed Hitler’s laws, the Reich Government ordered the arrest of German Citizens and confiscated their guns without probable cause or evidence; delegated powers to German Police and other authorities to arrest anyone Nazi authorities claimed attempted or incited public unrest: arrested among others were outspoken Germans, writers, journalists, peaceful protestors and artists. After World War II the East German Secret Police (Stasi) used the threat of Indefinite Detention to forcibly recruit thousands of informants.

    The U.S. 2012 NDAA legislation Obama signed 12-31-11 is similar to Hitler’s 1933 fascist laws the SS and Gestapo used to target persons in Germany for arrest, imprisonment and execution without probable cause; and confiscate millions of dollars of property. Hitler used his laws to suspend Parliament and the Supreme Court insuring his laws could not be rescinded.

    During the Obama Administration’s recent request for a (stay) to stop U.S. District Judge Katherine Forrest blocking enforcement of vague NDAA provisions, the Obama Administration—never clarified what constitutes a (belligerent); or militant; or what belligerent activities (directly aligned with a militant) to order a belligerent’s arrest or indefinite detention; or what is against the good of America. Under vague provisions of NDAA, the President could accuse anyone of being (directly aligned with militants by way of any political or other association; activity, statement, writing or communication with an individual or group government deemed (militant) to arrest and indefinitely detain Americans. Writers, journalists, Americans that disagree with or question U.S. Government or its allies—may under NDAA be subject to arrest and indefinite detention.

    NDAA 2012, like Hitler’s 1933 Discriminatory Decrees enforces censorship; refers to the Patriot Act e.g. warrant-less searches of private property and forfeiture of property from persons not charged with crime. Provisions in NDAA 2012 keep the door open for corrupt U.S. police; government agents and provocateurs which there are many, to falsify reports and statements to target any American, group or organization for arrest, indefinite detention, complete disappearance; civil asset forfeiture of their property.

    You may have noted NDAA referred to the USA Patriot Act. The Patriot Act lends itself to Government / police corruption; the Federal Government may use secret witnesses and informants to cause arrests and civil asset forfeiture of Americans’ property. Witness(s) and informants may be paid up to 50% of assets forfeited. Federal Government under 18USC may use a mere preponderance of civil evidence, little more than hearsay to Civilly Forfeit Private Property. Under the Patriot Act innocent property owners may be barred by government knowing the evidence federal government uses to forfeit their property.

    Sections of NDAA 2012 are so broad, it appears U.S. Government or the President could (retroactively) deem an American’s past 1st Amendment activities prior to passage of 2012 NDAA—supported hostilities, terrorism or (Belligerents) to order the arrest and Indefinite Detention of any U.S. Citizen, writer, group or organization.

    Under NDAA 2012 it should be expected that indefinitely detained U.S. Citizens not involved in terrorism or hostile activities, not given Miranda Warnings when interrogated, not allowed legal counsel or habeas corpus may be prosecuted for non-terrorist (ordinary crimes) because of their (alleged admissions) while held in Indefinite Detention.

  24. Brian says:

    Why is the Government buying on the open market when they clearly hold contracts with the largest manufacturers of ammo? answer: they want to starve the gun owner of needed ammo prior to the gun grab. The ammo they are purchasing is clearly not for target practice but is used to inflict the most bodily damage on it’s intended target.
    Now with these two things obviously undisputed why is it the majority of people on this board the first to talk yet the last to know what their government is up to? Just pure ignorance and a subservient attitude toward their government like sheep loving their slaughterer before the kill!

  25. The Lone Wolf says:

    The DHS was created right after 2001. Now, I know that the department didn’t grow overnight, but between then and now, shouldn’t there be enough data to compare? Can’t we look at the yearly quantities purchased for the last few years or the last time they purchased in heavy bulk and compare them against the purchases this year?

  26. Jim Henderson says:

    Fired one round a second every second every day every day every week every week every month every month every year, my quick math says it would take over 44 years for the “training” ammo to be exhausted.

    Add to that fact this one: the purchased round is NOT a training round. There is a TRAINING round that is much less expensive that gives the same recoil and action as the purchased round. If they were purchased for training, as is said by some, then the purchasers should be terminated from employment for their gross incompetence.

    As long as the government is ordering rounds of this kind and quantity, don’t expect reasonable minds to voluntarily surrender their privately held arms.

  27. Jason Strittmier says:

    One point in your theory. DHS does not purchase ammo for the U. S. Coast Guard. The Coast Guard purchases ammo for the Coast Guard because it is an “armed uniform service”. TSA does not have armed agents. DHS purchased a massive amount of .357 hollow point rounds last year. It is against the Geneva convention for the USCG to use such ammo. Both the Border Patrol and U. S. Customs uses the .40 caliber. USCG has a standard issue of .9mm Beretta. So who did DHS buy all the .357 hollow points for?

  28. Matei says:

    I don’t quite see what the argument of this blog post is. If you say that ‘government buying lots of ammo THEREFORE government wants to use it on citizens’ is a weak case, then your refutation, ‘well, ummm, government needs like, lots of bullets’, is even more weak.

  29. Julie says:

    The fearmongers state things like this: “This ammunition is mostly made up of “hollow point” bullets, which are designed strictly for maximum damage to the human body and have been outlawed for use in warfare since 1969.”

    But these bullets are not only used for the purpose of causing maximum damage. They are also used because of their superior accuracy. Here is a quote from the Wikipedia article on hollow-point bullets, followed by the link to the source: “Match or target hollow-point bullets are designed for precision target use, and no consideration is given to their expansion or other terminal ballistic performance. The United States military, for example, uses hollow-point bullets in some sniper rifles for their exceptional accuracy at long ranges, and believes that the hollow-point does not result in wounds significantly different from full metal jacket ammunition in practice.”

    http://www.thegunzone.com/opentip-ammo.html

    On the legality, also from Wikipedia:

    “The Hague Convention of 1899, Declaration III, prohibited the use in international warfare of bullets that easily expand or flatten in the body.[3] This is often incorrectly believed to be prohibited in the Geneva Conventions, but it significantly predates those conventions, and is in fact a continuance of the St. Petersburg Declaration of 1868, which banned exploding projectiles of less than 400 grams, as well as weapons designed to aggravate injured soldiers or make their death inevitable. NATO members do not use small arms ammunition that is prohibited by the Hague Convention.

    “Despite the ban on military use, hollow-point bullets are one of the most common types of civilian and police ammunition,[citation needed] due largely to the reduced risk of bystanders being hit by over-penetrating or ricocheted bullets, and the increased speed of incapacitation.”

    Overstatement and inaccuracy are their currency.

  30. Rob says:

    If they need hollow points to be accurate in target PRACTICE they should NOT be working in any position requiring the use of a gun IMO.

  31. Bob J says:

    Having been an armorer in the army for years as well as a sheriffs deputy, I can tell you that we never trained with hollow points or prersonal protection rounds. As stated previously its expensive, and regardless of a discount or not, these rounds are not/were not purchased for that reason. They are serious carry ammo, intended to inflict maximum damage. The amount ordered, even being generous, defies explanation. Which, ironically, or interestingly, has never been given.

    Don’t let the government be the only ones stocking up. We’re headed down a bad path…

  32. C Crowder says:

    Your argument may or may not be valid but wikipedia as a source is not valid.

  33. LEON HAVEN says:

    LOKING AT THE LATEST REQUEST THEY HAVE REQUESTED MORE. THIS MUCH AMMO IS 20 TIMES THE AMOUNT USED IN THE IRAC WAR, GO FIGURE.

  34. Richie Richards says:

    DHS has well over 1.2 BILLION rounds in hand and have orders for 21M and 200M more as of 2/8/13. It is well known that the Obama Gestapo and his left wing-nut supporters in power are waging war against the Second Amendment. You know, the one that protects the right of the people to keep and bear arms.

    They figure that an outright confiscation of all arms would cause Obama to be impeached. So what do they do? They illegally buy up all the ammo they can get their hands on. They are well on their way to having 2 BILLION rounds in the possession of DHS. And no, they can’t justify their actions using any normal consumption theories. They would have to use 2.1M rounds per minute, 24 hours a day, 365 days a year, to consume what they have accumulated.

    So what’s the deal? Simple. It’s Obama’s back door attack on the Second Amendment. They’re not taking your guns, they’re just taking away your right to use them. Now remember that the Second Amendment says you have the right to keep and bear arms. Obama has effectively eliminated the right to bear arms by eliminating the ability for the common man or woman to purchase ammo by eliminating the supply. And that is what makes his actions illegal and an outright attack on the Second Amendment.

    Don’t believe me? Go to a few gun shops and you’ll see the ammo shelves are empty no matter where you go. Hitler used the same approach when he took power. What’s next? A third and fourth term for Obama?

    Remember that history has shown governments disarm the populous when they fear the people and want to maintain perpetual control. We are going to become capitalist slaves if things continue on the current path.

  35. Mathishard says:

    Actually, if you look at the purchase orders which are freely open to the public.

    You can see how Alex Jones goes full retard on the math for his numbers.

    In this purchase order you’ll see they request 240,000 rounds of ammo. 100k + 100k + 40k. They request crates of 1000.

    100 x 1000 = 100,000

    Alex Jones goes full retard and does the math as crates of 100,000

    100,000 x 100 = 10,000,000
    100,000 x 100 = 10,000,000
    40,000 x 40 = 1,600,000

    And then claims the DHS ordered 21.6 million rounds.

    https://marketplace.fedbid.com/fbweb/fbobuyDetails.do?token===wBKxmaVGYR9Kcq5Ajq%2BRH6QAAAAAHeAAgAgTFCGg/FzzqQbJAAyVXBA0Or

    It’s just pure conspiracy retardness.

  36. Nick Hentoff says:

    The problem is that DHS is still purchasing more ammunition six months after your post was published Even if you take into consideration the need to replace stockpiles nearing its expiration date (ammo does have a shelf life) the amount of ammo being purchased is now reaching such astronomical amounts as to be beyond what any domestic law enforcement agency needs for normal operations. To make matters worse, DHS has now started redacting the amount of ammunition in its bid solicitations. So instead of providing information that explains why they are purchasing so much ammo they are hiding info which is sure to fuel the con spiracy theories. Nice going DHS.

  37. Nick Hentoff says:

    Oh, also, if YOU had done your research you would have discovered statements from DHS that the Coast Guard was not a part of the recent ammo purchases.