Comments on: The Free Exercise of Stupidity Dr. Laura, the Ground Zero Mosque, and the 1st Amendment http://www.skepticblog.org/2010/08/24/the-free-exercise-of-stupidity/ The official blog of the Skeptologists Thu, 09 Feb 2012 17:07:33 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.3.1 By: Tim http://www.skepticblog.org/2010/08/24/the-free-exercise-of-stupidity/#comment-28788 Tim Sun, 10 Oct 2010 16:35:33 +0000 http://skepticblog.org/?p=9705#comment-28788 Would it be out of line to suggest that Americans have been funding Muslim activities for years due to their oil addiction? Since y'all have been giving them yer money for all these years, is it a suprise that they are buying up prime real estate? And regarding the previous discussion that goes 'Christians aint so bad as them nasty ole Muslims..' Seriously? That whole white christian race thing from about the 1600's to today, in Africa, the Americas, Asia, ahh.... Slavery, opium wars, and on and on...the whole frickin world actually fugged over by fans of the J man? Some so called skeptics here have forgot their history lessons. A dialogue asks questions to gain knowledge. How many of these posts reveal the authors claim some particular insight, yet are not so humble as to ask a question. Skeptics, my ass.... the trolls are breeding here. All faith is perversion; celebrate world mental health day, October 10. Would it be out of line to suggest that Americans have been funding Muslim activities for years due to their oil addiction? Since y’all have been giving them yer money for all these years, is it a suprise that they are buying up prime real estate?
And regarding the previous discussion that goes ‘Christians aint so bad as them nasty ole Muslims..’ Seriously? That whole white christian race thing from about the 1600′s to today, in Africa, the Americas, Asia, ahh…. Slavery, opium wars, and on and on…the whole frickin world actually fugged over by fans of the J man? Some so called skeptics here have forgot their history lessons.
A dialogue asks questions to gain knowledge. How many of these posts reveal the authors claim some particular insight, yet are not so humble as to ask a question. Skeptics, my ass…. the trolls are breeding here. All faith is perversion; celebrate world mental health day, October 10.

]]> By: JediBear http://www.skepticblog.org/2010/08/24/the-free-exercise-of-stupidity/#comment-28531 JediBear Thu, 07 Oct 2010 01:24:14 +0000 http://skepticblog.org/?p=9705#comment-28531 Thanks much for the link, tmac57. Very informative and enjoyable. Thanks much for the link, tmac57. Very informative and enjoyable.

]]> By: Rude (Rudy) Waken http://www.skepticblog.org/2010/08/24/the-free-exercise-of-stupidity/#comment-27186 Rude (Rudy) Waken Tue, 14 Sep 2010 18:08:45 +0000 http://skepticblog.org/?p=9705#comment-27186 This is really a very sensitive issue, in that Islam, which is a religious, military and political system created by Arabs, has sought to place a shine to their achievements in NYC. This was done in Cordova SP, however the Mosque that was built over the church there was later converted back to a Catholic Church. This move is similar in the Commercial districts as "One Up Man-ship" where the building is made better than before it is approved. In our country we don't play by the same set of rules as the Arab countries. They do not abide by the same ethics we here in the US take for granted as the supposed established norm. So when someone wants to build a religious center, the reasons are always assumed to be the most honorable as well a practical. Although I lack the specifics, there was an orthodox church that was condemned after the 9/11 attack because of damaged sustained when debris fell from one of the towers. So far they have had no assistance or approvals to reopen this Christian Church after 9 F___ing years. Then the Muslims come in and after 2 years have an approved set of plans to begin construction, once this planning issue is cleared. It makes me and others wonder in the architectural field if the hands of some people in the Big Apple had a Big Pile of Money either deposited in some account for them, or going toward campaign funds in the future. This is really a very sensitive issue, in that Islam, which is a religious, military and political system created by Arabs, has sought to place a shine to their achievements in NYC. This was done in Cordova SP, however the Mosque that was built over the church there was later converted back to a Catholic Church.
This move is similar in the Commercial districts as “One Up Man-ship” where the building is made better than before it is approved.
In our country we don’t play by the same set of rules as the Arab countries. They do not abide by the same ethics we here in the US take for granted as the supposed established norm. So when someone wants to build a religious center, the reasons are always assumed to be the most honorable as well a practical.
Although I lack the specifics, there was an orthodox church that was condemned after the 9/11 attack because of damaged sustained when debris fell from one of the towers. So far they have had no assistance or approvals to reopen this Christian Church after 9 F___ing years. Then the Muslims come in and after 2 years have an approved set of plans to begin construction, once this planning issue is cleared. It makes me and others wonder in the architectural field if the hands of some people in the Big Apple had a Big Pile of Money either deposited in some account for them, or going toward campaign funds in the future.

]]> By: J.F.Soti http://www.skepticblog.org/2010/08/24/the-free-exercise-of-stupidity/#comment-26362 J.F.Soti Mon, 06 Sep 2010 04:56:10 +0000 http://skepticblog.org/?p=9705#comment-26362 So if I correctly understand what Michael Shermer is saying, they are free to build their mosque and those who do not like it are free to peacefully assemble there and taunt them with pork products:-) That said I don't think they can get it built, American workers are refusing to do the job and much of the illegal aliens workforce is self deporting due to Obamanomics. So if I correctly understand what Michael Shermer is saying, they are free to build their mosque and those who do not like it are free to peacefully assemble there and taunt them with pork products:-) That said I don’t think they can get it built, American workers are refusing to do the job and much of the illegal aliens workforce is self deporting due to Obamanomics.

]]> By: Mike http://www.skepticblog.org/2010/08/24/the-free-exercise-of-stupidity/#comment-26296 Mike Sun, 05 Sep 2010 04:19:05 +0000 http://skepticblog.org/?p=9705#comment-26296 I just wanted to point out that the government actually does limit the speech of a radio host. There are a few words that are not allowed on the airwaves. This is clearly a first amendment violation. I just wanted to point out that the government actually does limit the speech of a radio host. There are a few words that are not allowed on the airwaves. This is clearly a first amendment violation.

]]> By: Max http://www.skepticblog.org/2010/08/24/the-free-exercise-of-stupidity/#comment-26137 Max Thu, 02 Sep 2010 16:58:38 +0000 http://skepticblog.org/?p=9705#comment-26137 I'd like to see Nazi and Jihadist operations banned. Their mission is to overthrow the government and carry out ethnic/racial/religious cleansing, which I think is worse than jaywalking or littering. We all understand why it's wrong for Nazis to march through a Jewish neighborhood or hang nooses in black neighborhoods, condoning genocide and lynchings. We shouldn't put up with that. The Danish cartoons didn't condone genocide. They offended Muslims because they violate Sharia. Well if Muslims are offended by violations of Sharia and issue death fatwas against the violators, then they'll only be content when everyone follows Sharia, in effect imposing Islam on non-Muslims. We shouldn't put up with that either. I’d like to see Nazi and Jihadist operations banned. Their mission is to overthrow the government and carry out ethnic/racial/religious cleansing, which I think is worse than jaywalking or littering.

We all understand why it’s wrong for Nazis to march through a Jewish neighborhood or hang nooses in black neighborhoods, condoning genocide and lynchings. We shouldn’t put up with that.
The Danish cartoons didn’t condone genocide. They offended Muslims because they violate Sharia. Well if Muslims are offended by violations of Sharia and issue death fatwas against the violators, then they’ll only be content when everyone follows Sharia, in effect imposing Islam on non-Muslims. We shouldn’t put up with that either.

]]> By: Richard Boyle http://www.skepticblog.org/2010/08/24/the-free-exercise-of-stupidity/#comment-26093 Richard Boyle Thu, 02 Sep 2010 06:44:13 +0000 http://skepticblog.org/?p=9705#comment-26093 Max, Strip clubs have sued and won on the issue of freedom of expression after having been denied the right to build by local zoning ordinances and/or boards both of which constitute "state action". The "state action" in the "mosque" case has come down in favor of the approval of the application to build. The opposition has nothing to do with state action and nothing to do with the first amendment at this point. The opposition has to do with "sensitivity" to the feelings of the survivors of those killed on 9-11, at least that is the cover story for the rather obvious rash of anti-Islamic reaction throughout the country. I directed an entire comment ( # 33 above) to you in re this "sensitivity" issue which you have ignored. Your sentiments for the feelings of others who deem themselves to be offended are clear in this "mosque" case and in the "Skokie" case. What about the case of the "Danish Cartoons"? Were you equally sensitive to the feelings of the offended Muslims at that time? If not, how do you distinguish them? I thought the violent reaction of Islam in Western Europe and the threats resulting were outrageous and that the freedom of the Danish press was seriously threatened not to mention the life of the editorial cartoonist and, further, that the American press was gutless for electing not to republish the offending "cartoons" in this country. What did you think at the time and what do you think now? Max, Strip clubs have sued and won on the issue of freedom of expression after having been denied the right to build by local zoning ordinances and/or boards both of which constitute “state action”. The “state action” in the “mosque” case has come down in favor of the approval of the application to build. The opposition has nothing to do with state action and nothing to do with the first amendment at this point. The opposition has to do with “sensitivity” to the feelings of the survivors of those killed on 9-11, at least that is the cover story for the rather obvious rash of anti-Islamic reaction throughout the country. I directed an entire comment ( # 33 above) to you in re this “sensitivity” issue which you have ignored. Your sentiments for the feelings of others who deem themselves to be offended are clear in this “mosque” case and in the “Skokie” case. What about the case of the “Danish Cartoons”? Were you equally sensitive to the feelings of the offended Muslims at that time? If not, how do you distinguish them? I thought the violent reaction of Islam in Western Europe and the threats resulting were outrageous and that the freedom of the Danish press was seriously threatened not to mention the life of the editorial cartoonist and, further, that the American press was gutless for electing not to republish the offending “cartoons” in this country. What did you think at the time and what do you think now?

]]> By: sailor http://www.skepticblog.org/2010/08/24/the-free-exercise-of-stupidity/#comment-26078 sailor Wed, 01 Sep 2010 18:29:58 +0000 http://skepticblog.org/?p=9705#comment-26078 And the dozens of Muslim victims in 9/11? And the dozens of Muslim victims in 9/11?

]]> By: Max http://www.skepticblog.org/2010/08/24/the-free-exercise-of-stupidity/#comment-26072 Max Wed, 01 Sep 2010 16:39:16 +0000 http://skepticblog.org/?p=9705#comment-26072 Strip clubs have sued over being denied First Amendment rights, although the First Amendment doesn't protect obscenity. Some commentators called the Ground Zero mosque an obscenity, but I don't think it satisfies the legal definition. Strip clubs have sued over being denied First Amendment rights, although the First Amendment doesn’t protect obscenity. Some commentators called the Ground Zero mosque an obscenity, but I don’t think it satisfies the legal definition.

]]> By: Carax http://www.skepticblog.org/2010/08/24/the-free-exercise-of-stupidity/#comment-26064 Carax Wed, 01 Sep 2010 13:52:51 +0000 http://skepticblog.org/?p=9705#comment-26064 No, it means you don't know how to counter his argument. No, it means you don’t know how to counter his argument.

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