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	<title>Comments on: Desiree Jennings on 20/20</title>
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		<title>By: Seth Crosby</title>
		<link>http://www.skepticblog.org/2010/07/26/desiree-jennings-on-2020/#comment-26374</link>
		<dc:creator>Seth Crosby</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 06 Sep 2010 11:17:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I actually wrote to Sacks to find out if he was going to weigh-in.  His assistant kindly answered saying he would not unless he could examine her.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I actually wrote to Sacks to find out if he was going to weigh-in.  His assistant kindly answered saying he would not unless he could examine her.</p>
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		<title>By: Tim</title>
		<link>http://www.skepticblog.org/2010/07/26/desiree-jennings-on-2020/#comment-24733</link>
		<dc:creator>Tim</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 07 Aug 2010 18:45:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>As an ER doc, I have seen lots of patients with psychogenic seizures or &quot;pseudo-seizures&quot;. They can have a real seizure disorder as well as the psychogenic kind. Typically they are young women with a history of mental health problems (anxiety, depression, personality disorders) and often have difficult life/social circumstances.

Pseudo-seizures can look very frightening to lay people, but to someone who is experienced, they are usually quite obvious. There tends to be a generalized and random thrashing and rolling around, rather than tonic-clonic jerks. Patients are typically able to understand and follow commands in the middle of a &quot;seizure&quot;, which is impossible in a true seizure. They typically exhibit self-protective behaviours, which again is not found in true seizures. They usually have full recall of everything that happened around them during the &quot;seizure&quot;, which is again not typical of true seizures.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>As an ER doc, I have seen lots of patients with psychogenic seizures or &#8220;pseudo-seizures&#8221;. They can have a real seizure disorder as well as the psychogenic kind. Typically they are young women with a history of mental health problems (anxiety, depression, personality disorders) and often have difficult life/social circumstances.</p>
<p>Pseudo-seizures can look very frightening to lay people, but to someone who is experienced, they are usually quite obvious. There tends to be a generalized and random thrashing and rolling around, rather than tonic-clonic jerks. Patients are typically able to understand and follow commands in the middle of a &#8220;seizure&#8221;, which is impossible in a true seizure. They typically exhibit self-protective behaviours, which again is not found in true seizures. They usually have full recall of everything that happened around them during the &#8220;seizure&#8221;, which is again not typical of true seizures.</p>
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		<title>By: Sue</title>
		<link>http://www.skepticblog.org/2010/07/26/desiree-jennings-on-2020/#comment-24652</link>
		<dc:creator>Sue</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 06 Aug 2010 05:23:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Even more important, only a very few vaccines theses days have any mercury in them at all and the flu vaccine is not one of them. So if she did have mercury poisoning then she didn&#039;t get it from a vaccine! (BTW i do NOT think this resembles the symptoms of mercury poisoning! - agree it is psychogenic.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Even more important, only a very few vaccines theses days have any mercury in them at all and the flu vaccine is not one of them. So if she did have mercury poisoning then she didn&#8217;t get it from a vaccine! (BTW i do NOT think this resembles the symptoms of mercury poisoning! &#8211; agree it is psychogenic.</p>
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		<title>By: kabol</title>
		<link>http://www.skepticblog.org/2010/07/26/desiree-jennings-on-2020/#comment-24544</link>
		<dc:creator>kabol</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 04 Aug 2010 22:50:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>wow -- people even have psychogenic seizures that get misdiagnosed as epilepsy.

&lt;a href=&quot;http://emedicine.medscape.com/article/1184694-overview&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;medscape article here&lt;/a&gt; 


i guess that there is plenty of pickings for not only medical quacks, but also the paranormal peeps who like to pretend that they&#039;re excorcists and whatnot.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>wow &#8212; people even have psychogenic seizures that get misdiagnosed as epilepsy.</p>
<p><a href="http://emedicine.medscape.com/article/1184694-overview" rel="nofollow">medscape article here</a> </p>
<p>i guess that there is plenty of pickings for not only medical quacks, but also the paranormal peeps who like to pretend that they&#8217;re excorcists and whatnot.</p>
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		<title>By: number mystery</title>
		<link>http://www.skepticblog.org/2010/07/26/desiree-jennings-on-2020/#comment-24366</link>
		<dc:creator>number mystery</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 02 Aug 2010 00:13:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>For the curious, lovers of Oliver Sacks and Ramachandran.
Imagine what Sacks would say and consult in this situation.

http://numbermystery.blogspot.com/2010/07/there-seems-to-exist-some-hidden-power.html

best.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>For the curious, lovers of Oliver Sacks and Ramachandran.<br />
Imagine what Sacks would say and consult in this situation.</p>
<p><a href="http://numbermystery.blogspot.com/2010/07/there-seems-to-exist-some-hidden-power.html" rel="nofollow">http://numbermystery.blogspot.com/2010/07/there-seems-to-exist-some-hidden-power.html</a></p>
<p>best.</p>
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		<title>By: number mystery</title>
		<link>http://www.skepticblog.org/2010/07/26/desiree-jennings-on-2020/#comment-24365</link>
		<dc:creator>number mystery</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 02 Aug 2010 00:11:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I wrote a response based on the proposed - psychogenic - explanation. 

On 20/20: There was &#039;some Doctor&#039; consulted on 20/20 for the woman, and he used hodgpodge pseudoscience and said it was &#039;psychogenic&#039; as the problem. This is the &#039;real doctor&#039; who is making up for the &#039;fake doctors&#039;. First of all, he has to know how the pathogen (somehow from the vaccine) altered specifics at the cell level in the brain, specifically what&#039;s causing what. Huntington&#039;s disease is a clumpy protein which gets in the way of microtubules in dopaminergic cells in the dorsal striatum - it&#039;s actually a protein. It&#039;s &#039;clumpy&#039; because of a nucleotide error, which affects the structure of the protein, leading to the messing up (somehow) of the cell highways (microtubules) in the cell universe (nerve cells).. leading to the nerve cell&#039;s collapse (it&#039;s believed), leading to loss of basal activity in at the circuit level in the primary motor pathway, leading to spontaneous action potentials going thru the whatever the destination is. Try that level of explanation (molecular, intracellular, to circuit, to systems) to the explaination this doctor gave - he says &#039;psychogenic&#039; - is what explains her curious symptoms.

I don&#039;t believe the &#039;skeptic&#039; authority with the m.d. line offered any incite into Nature, nor has any desire whatever to delve into the root cause of the mystery of the pathogen and how this broiught on Desiree&#039;s behaviors.

I am a firm believe that people who use the authority of their position, especially of medicine, will have to remain in purgatory for 1 extra day for each time they use it on shady grounds.

I do believe the psychogenic suggestion is frowned on by god, and worthy of hellfire.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I wrote a response based on the proposed &#8211; psychogenic &#8211; explanation. </p>
<p>On 20/20: There was &#8216;some Doctor&#8217; consulted on 20/20 for the woman, and he used hodgpodge pseudoscience and said it was &#8216;psychogenic&#8217; as the problem. This is the &#8216;real doctor&#8217; who is making up for the &#8216;fake doctors&#8217;. First of all, he has to know how the pathogen (somehow from the vaccine) altered specifics at the cell level in the brain, specifically what&#8217;s causing what. Huntington&#8217;s disease is a clumpy protein which gets in the way of microtubules in dopaminergic cells in the dorsal striatum &#8211; it&#8217;s actually a protein. It&#8217;s &#8216;clumpy&#8217; because of a nucleotide error, which affects the structure of the protein, leading to the messing up (somehow) of the cell highways (microtubules) in the cell universe (nerve cells).. leading to the nerve cell&#8217;s collapse (it&#8217;s believed), leading to loss of basal activity in at the circuit level in the primary motor pathway, leading to spontaneous action potentials going thru the whatever the destination is. Try that level of explanation (molecular, intracellular, to circuit, to systems) to the explaination this doctor gave &#8211; he says &#8216;psychogenic&#8217; &#8211; is what explains her curious symptoms.</p>
<p>I don&#8217;t believe the &#8216;skeptic&#8217; authority with the m.d. line offered any incite into Nature, nor has any desire whatever to delve into the root cause of the mystery of the pathogen and how this broiught on Desiree&#8217;s behaviors.</p>
<p>I am a firm believe that people who use the authority of their position, especially of medicine, will have to remain in purgatory for 1 extra day for each time they use it on shady grounds.</p>
<p>I do believe the psychogenic suggestion is frowned on by god, and worthy of hellfire.</p>
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		<title>By: Øyvind W</title>
		<link>http://www.skepticblog.org/2010/07/26/desiree-jennings-on-2020/#comment-24356</link>
		<dc:creator>Øyvind W</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 01 Aug 2010 19:09:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It is my layman understanding that the ingredients of both vaccines and tuna end up in the liver (where they are taken care of) before going to any organs.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It is my layman understanding that the ingredients of both vaccines and tuna end up in the liver (where they are taken care of) before going to any organs.</p>
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		<title>By: MadScientist</title>
		<link>http://www.skepticblog.org/2010/07/26/desiree-jennings-on-2020/#comment-24274</link>
		<dc:creator>MadScientist</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 30 Jul 2010 21:28:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Worse still, on a global scale there is barely enough land available to produce food crops.  To produce bio fuels from crops raised for the purpose means competing with resources for food production. At the very least more land (grassland or forest) will be cleared for biofuel production operations. Biofuel production may also compete with food production for fertilizers and water resources. I&#039;d file it under &quot;ideas that don&#039;t work&quot;, along with &quot;let&#039;s plant trees to cut CO2 emissions&quot;.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Worse still, on a global scale there is barely enough land available to produce food crops.  To produce bio fuels from crops raised for the purpose means competing with resources for food production. At the very least more land (grassland or forest) will be cleared for biofuel production operations. Biofuel production may also compete with food production for fertilizers and water resources. I&#8217;d file it under &#8220;ideas that don&#8217;t work&#8221;, along with &#8220;let&#8217;s plant trees to cut CO2 emissions&#8221;.</p>
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		<title>By: erikthebassist</title>
		<link>http://www.skepticblog.org/2010/07/26/desiree-jennings-on-2020/#comment-24267</link>
		<dc:creator>erikthebassist</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 30 Jul 2010 17:40:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>You know what, you&#039;re right. I apologize, I didn&#039;t read it very closely. It was a gut reaction, late at night, with bleary eyes and a couple beers. I retract my criticism.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You know what, you&#8217;re right. I apologize, I didn&#8217;t read it very closely. It was a gut reaction, late at night, with bleary eyes and a couple beers. I retract my criticism.</p>
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		<title>By: MadScientist</title>
		<link>http://www.skepticblog.org/2010/07/26/desiree-jennings-on-2020/#comment-24259</link>
		<dc:creator>MadScientist</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 30 Jul 2010 13:13:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>That&#039;s really sad. I used to think that Jennings was putting on an act (then again I know nothing of psychological disorders). OK, I&#039;ll move her out of my &quot;quack&quot; list and into my &quot;victim of quacks&quot; list.

I&#039;ve been stuttering a lot again lately (which I hadn&#039;t done in years) - I wonder if it&#039;s because my neighbor got the flu shot. Then again it could just be that lack of sleep thing ...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>That&#8217;s really sad. I used to think that Jennings was putting on an act (then again I know nothing of psychological disorders). OK, I&#8217;ll move her out of my &#8220;quack&#8221; list and into my &#8220;victim of quacks&#8221; list.</p>
<p>I&#8217;ve been stuttering a lot again lately (which I hadn&#8217;t done in years) &#8211; I wonder if it&#8217;s because my neighbor got the flu shot. Then again it could just be that lack of sleep thing &#8230;</p>
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