One Down, Thousands to Go
Kelli Faulkner's Facebook Photo
As I reported in my last post, the aforementioned Kelli Faulkner: remote viewer and medium who was on ABC”s Indiana New Extra staff has now been left off the station’s news team. Hurray!This is one small step for skeptics and one great leap for rational thinking. It shows when a few phone calls (mine) and and some pressure is brought to bear on peddlers of nonsense who should know much better, we can make a difference. If you are unaware of Kelli’s story, read my past blog “ABC has a Medium on Staff” from May 22.
I want to thank Ramon Volz, a teacher who lives in Fort Wayne for stepping up to the plate and DOING SOMETHING.What Ramon did was brilliant and should be an inspiration to anybody, particularly those who prattled on about who was ultimately responsible and questioned my calling these “News people” onto the carpet in the first place. If the same people had spent half as much time as Ramon did actually doing something about the situation instead of bagging on me for taking a stand, we as a skeptical group would have moved ahead a few more valuable steps much quicker and might do a lot better in the future. I realize this is a skeptical blog and welcome every one’s comments, but when push comes to shove, it gets a bit daunting when the point gets lost amongst complaints about typos, legality and well, …just too much skepticism about the little stuff. In this case the big issue has now been dealt with by somebody who got it.
Ramon wrote a beautiful letter I’m going to include with his permission.
I’m sure this had a lot to do with Kelli’s disappearance:
Subject: Save FWCS!
I am currently a teacher at Lindley Elementary School. As you all know, our schools are in an economical crisis. I just had a thought that would make a great promotion for your station, developing news story, and give a Fort Wayne native a chance to be a hero!
I noticed Kelli Faulkner is associated with Indiana’s NewsCenter, and her gifts could help our community schools! The INC website says “as a medium Kelli is able to see those who have passed on…” I can not see any reason why she would refuse to use her talents to help out the children of Fort Wayne!
I have found an easy way for Kelli Faulkner to raise $1 million dollars to help save Fort Wayne Community Schools! I am very excited about this, because I can not foresee any reason why Kelli wouldn’t want to help the education of children! I teach in a classroom of 26 and 25 third -graders! When they hear about this, they are going to be excited! I know that she wouldn’t deny excellent educational opportunities for our children! She could save the jobs of many teachers, lower classroom sizes, and possibly save a school from closing!
The James Randi Educational Foundation offers a one-million dollar prize! Their site claims they “offer a one-million-dollar prize to anyone who can show, under proper observing conditions, evidence of any paranormal, supernatural, or occult power or event. The JREF does not involve itself in the testing procedure, other than helping to design the protocol and approving the conditions under which a test will take place. All tests are designed with the participation and approval of the applicant. In most cases, the applicant will be asked to perform a relatively simple preliminary test of the claim, which if successful, will be followed by the formal test. Preliminary tests are usually conducted by associates of the JREF at the site where the applicant lives. Upon success in the preliminary testing process, the “applicant” becomes a “claimant.”
Here is a link to the challenge: http://www.randi.org/site/index.php/1m-challenge.html
All Kelli would have to do is what she does best! I’m so glad that she’s so gifted and has the references to back her up, because it will make winning the prize seem that much easier! She’s helped out so many grieving families— now she can help save our schools! I’m pumped!
Then, the station could follow her up on her challenge and film it as she wins a million dollars for FWCS! Your station would have a once in a lifetime story on your hands!!! This could also raise medium awareness, and mediums everywhere could use their gifts to help!
We have absolutely nothing to lose from this, and EVERYTHING to gain! I’m sorry if this seems a tad long, but I’m just overwhelmed with excitement that we have such easy access to one million dollars!
I’d appreciate a quick reply… if we do this right and quickly, we might be able to save a few jobs in FWCS! I’d even be willing to help put this thing together: everything from filling out the application, meeting with Kelli personally, to contacting the educational foundation responsible for this challenge!
Thank you for your time!
Now that’s putting the ball in the right court.
In a follow up note to the Indiana News Extra Desk (and Corinne Rose in particular who refused to take my call on air a few weeks back), Ramon wrote:
To: gm@indianasnewscenter.com; newsroom
Subject: No response to my emails :(
I recently emailed the station in regards to your association with Kelli Faulkner, and expressed interest in having her win a $1 million prize (through the James Randi Educational Foundation) which she could then donate to FWCS. After two emails and no reply, I checked on your website to see if I could contact her directly. Her information was no longer available on your website. I have a few questions:
1. Is Kelli Faulkner still associated with INC?
2. Is it possible to for INC to do a story in which Kelli uses her talented gifts to win $1 million for FWCS?
I have attached a link to the prize and application as evidence that this would make a fantastic news story about a local hero. I have already agreed to do the paperwork if necessary to try to help our schools. If she wishes to keep the money to herself, I am still willing to offer my services.
http://www.randi.org/site/index.php/1m-challenge/challenge-application.html
I would appreciate a reply to my email, your website claims a reply within one or two days. Up to now I have received no reply. Here is an alternate email address in case you can’t get a reply to this email address. ramon_volz@yahoo.com
I am not in the school during the summertime, therefore do not contact me via phone to the school.
Thank you for your time and commitment to our community!
Tighten those screws Ramon! And notice how he worded everything with such kindness and elan. My hat’s off to him. Not many station execs couls argue with his approach.
And what was the Indiana News Desk’s Final word of the subjcet of Kelli Faulkner?
From: Corinne Rose [corinner@indianasnewscenter.com] Sent: Wed 6/16/2010 10:19 AM
To: Volz,Ramon
Cc:
Subject: RE: No response to my emails :(
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Ramon,
Kelli is no longer affiliated with INC. Contact her directly at her website. Do a Google search for her.
Good luck,
Corinne Rose
Corrine Rose: Thanks!
Thanks for the kiss off “Good Luck” Corrinne.
If we believed in luck like you apparently believed in Kelli Faulkner, we would be running a skeptical segment on your “News Extra” show every day and not any remote viewing/medium nonsense. I wonder how many bereaved parents of missing or murdered children wasted precious time and money while Kelli was touted as your medium? I hope you sleep better knowing you and your station are now one totally unsubstantiated con artist less than before. Now maybe you will take a closer look at Robbie Thomas too. You managed to sell a few tickets for his show in Fort Wayne with your segment on his racket despite the fact that he has absolutely no crimes solved under his fat belt and zero credibility with law enforcement. I guess in Fort Wayne they don’t let facts get in the way of a good juicy kidnapping or murder story. If any crimes were truly solved by Kelli (or Robbie) personally and you have facts and not anecdotes, we await your news worthy input here at skepticblog. Perhaps you could hook Kelli up with Robbie and they could go on the road with Indiana’s News Extra Desk as their sponsor?
I still don’t know if it was Kelli herself or the station who pulled the plug. I tried calling Kelli at her phone number 260-432-7986 without getting through. So Kelli, if you want to respond, please do. You have my number. We are waiting. I’m sure that overall this minor set-back won’t make much of a dent in your career as a remote viewer and medium. I’m sure you will make good use of your time spent under ABC’s wing as a good resume point and I’m also sure you saw this coming without any need for psychic powers of any sort. If it’s true that you did voluntarily back off on your own as I suggested last month, I applaud your effort and thanks for doing the right thing. If not, well, eh , …Good Luck?
Awesome work Ramon. I will have to remember this letter tactic in the future.
I wonder when or if Robbie Thomas went to the father and son fire deaths that the family say wasn’t accidental.
http://www.wkyt.com/home/headlines/96003989.html?storySection=comments
Publishing her phone number is irresponsible and juvenile. I expect better from skeptics of the caliber featured on this blog. Skeptical schadenfreude does more harm than good. What a disappointment!
Ticktock, you are a disappointment. Grow up, it is a public number. Do your own research!
Her web site has the number and it is for her office!
http://www.kellifaulkner.com/index.php
Zenn, I don’t need to do research for a comment that is mostly opinion-based. This article makes skeptics look like assholes, and that is my opinion. Even with your stellar detective skills, I stand by my comments.
It’s juvenile to publish her number in a critical article, whether it’s public record or not. The implication of printing her number is that he wants us to badger this lady the way he has done. Otherwise, why would he include the number?
It’s her office for psychic work dude. Perfect opportunity to punk her on a gag call during a radio show.
And that’s not juvenile at all, is it, Zenn? You’ve only proven Ticktock’s point.
She puts her number out there in dozens of web pages and psychic site. She takes that responsibility, good or bad. She make money off of dead people, remember. If calling her out here to try and get an explanation of what happened at the Indiana News Desk and ABC’s part in it is juvenile, well then call me a bratty punk kid with an agenda. I call it payback and I hope everyone who reads this blog calls her phone number at least once. Maybe she will have to change her phone number and spend some of her ill-gotten gains to do so. Who cares? It’s like a person with a Mohawk hairdo who gets upset if you stare at them. Once again, you miss the point with this “higher standards” mentality nad the bay stuff that gets skepticism nowhere and gives frauds like Kelli all the power they need to con someone new who has lost a daughter or son to murder or is missing – she doesn’t give a rat’s ass who is juvenile or not.Instead of running me down, WHAT ARE YOU DOING? Nothing most likely, just bitching and moaning,
I wasn’t all that impressed with the letter. At least it was polite. But it was sarcastic and condescending.
And I utterly disagree with Mark Edward. This idea that any action is justified, like harassing this woman, misses the mark.
Just because someone else is cruel or awful, is that a sufficient justification for responding in a cruel or awful manner?
I also think that Mark is out of line critizing this poster for not doing anything. He’s here isn’t he? Its as if he isn’t “Christian” or “Muslim” or “Democrat” or “Republican” enough.
and why is it justified to stare at a person with a mohawk? we have to accept some random social rule about hairstyles as legitimate without question but we are going to hound this person who is doing something that society generally finds acceptable? The point there is that breaking these people or forcing them to go low-profile isn’t changing anything. So here we are, condemning this poster for not doing anything when what we are doing is pointless.
You want to have a real impact here, with this site, and with this show? Use them to show people that social rules are open to change, that asking questions is important, that it is how we make progress, and that we have a beautiful mechanism for asking questions and getting answers.
No one changed their mind about these matters because of these actions or any of the other guerrilla skeptic stuff. This site is at its best when it seeks to educate.
We should think of this like Afghanistan and the likely-soon-to-be-unemployed General McChrystal: “for every innocent killed we make 10 enemies.” Sure, this woman is at a minimum deluded and has taken advantage of others through her delusions, but when we lash out and attack we need to ask ourselves what our potential converts actually see. Because how they see us will strongly impact whether or not they join us.
Ticktock,
This Faulkner charlatan is on facebook–and elsewhere no doubt–actively soliciting “donations” to help her “help the children” (big ole red flag there). She proposes that people send her substantial sums of money, on a recurring basis, so that she can continue her “important” and, according to her tone, utterly selfless endeavor to magically locate missing kids. She poses as a humble yet extraordinary “gifted” innocent, utterly burdened with this wonderful but taxing ability to help–and that’s all she wants to do, you know? Help. She is willing to sacrifice her every personal concern in order to have a chance to help all of these troubled people, people struck by unimaginable tragedy, who need her so badly….and she will do it too! If only you send her money!
The scam–and make no mistake: she knows it’s a scam–is deplorable. The scam is stomached turning. Faulkner is, without a doubt, a criminal con artist of the worst sort. She ought to be jailed.
But still, Ticktock, you defend her. Very odd. You remind me very much of a certain US Congressman, who recently publicly groveled at the feet of another criminal charlatan.
The world IS a mad, mad place.
Anarchies where vigilantism prevails, and police states where people are guilty until proven innocent, THOSE are mad, mad places.
Max,
“Anarchies where vigilantism prevails, and police states where people are guilty until proven innocent prevails, and police states where people are guilty until proven innocent…”
Where did that come from? Hyperbole much? Okay, for the sake of discussion I’ll amend my assertion: She should be tried, and then jailed when convicted.
Is it indictive of “vigilantism” to desire suspected muggers be tried and perhaps jailed? Does that make for a “police state.” Of course not.
This woman’s activities are not much different than a muggers in that she is preying on the weak. Tobesure, her scams are henious in different ways than a muggers; but her scams are henious. And harmful. And simply wrong. It ought not be okay for her to operate openly in a civil society. She is a criminal.
Notice that my position does not in anyway endorse “Anarchies where vigilantism prevails, and police states where people are guilty until proven innocent…” It was insulting and probably disengenuous for you to imply otherwise.
I don’t understand why you have to ridicule the people that questioned your earlier piece. Is it so hard to admit your title and some of the comments you made were wrong?
Evidently, it is too hard for Edward to admit to overreaching on this story.
I like how he belittles all of us who “prattled” on about “typos” and other minutiae. That’s really first-rate yellow journalism, and it surprises me not at all.
I still read this blog regularly, but I have learned to have very low expectations whenever I see Mark Edward’s name in the by-line . . though, to be fair, some of his other recent posts have exceeded those expectations by being halfway reasonable.
Yes, Especially when I’m right.
You maintain that ABC had Faulkner on staff?
Absolutely. ABC is ultimately repsonsible for anyone who carries their logo. If you went to their ABC webpage – Kelli was there listed on their staff. Now she’s gone. Maybe someone had some words with the affiliate? Or maybe Kelli herself backed off. We will never know since she hasn’t replied. I expect it was a mutual agreement. Either way, I maintain that networks, news desks or anyone calling themselves a “news” whatever that panders to such tripe should be called upon to PROVE their assertions before spreading manure like remote-viewing and mediumship to a viewing audience.
Good work, Ramon!
I also live in Fort Wayne. I was not aware of Kelli Faulkner or her psychic claims, but the FWCS system does have a history of being pro-woo. I remember writing to Randi several years back when I got a flier in the mail for their summer adult education program. They were offering a course in “advanced” numerology (not just the introductory stuff, mind you). The course description was tragically hilarious. I wish it had occurred to me at the time to write a letter like Ramon’s.
Great job Ramon! Now, go after van Pragh, Sylvia Browne, etc. Kevin Trudeau is also going strong, albeit in another venue — placebo water.
Anyway, great post and you gotta remember that getting skeptics to agree on anything is like herding cats. Unfortunately but seemingly true. Oh well.
We should be able to agree on what’s true.
This woman is preying on people’s grief and should be stopped. And, it doesn’t end with her. As he says in his title, one down, thousands to go. We should be able to agree on this, right?
My answer is yes, I think we should.
We should agree that she probably doesn’t have psychic powers, but we don’t have to agree that she should be stopped, since that’s a value judgement.
Yes, she should be stopped just like Robbie (Poulton) Thomas of Sarnia Ontario Canada, http://www.stoprobbie.com and http://www.stopsylvia.com for stopping Sylvia Browne.
Is there a stop Allison Dubois site coming soon?
stopkelli.com ??? Maybe Ramon should start that one.
Right on!!! Excellent! I love it! :-)
I’m not a big fan of interfering with people’s livelihood or source of income in general but this is a fine example of where putting a stop to peddling snake oil is a good thing.
Poor Kelli. Unfortunately, she’s going to have to find an honest job like the rest or us. Maybe even go back to school and get some genuine credentials that don’t major in “making shit up.”
Random question. Why do all psychics that specialise in “spirit guide” portraits always depict them as wizards with pointy hats and long beards or Native American Indians? Maybe I should ask Kelli.
I seem to remember Joe Nickell telling a group of us that toured Lilly Dale about how Native Americans were used as spirit guides so much in the early years of mediumship. I think it was because of their mystic, because you can’t check up on them in a census and you can talk in a stupid voice pretending to be channeling them, few people living in cities at that time knew what Indians really sounded like.
Joe did tell us a story, he told the medium that he was talking to that he kept having dreams about a Indian man that had two white feathers in his headdress and wondered about it. The medium told him that she would draw him a picture of his spirit guide, and guess what that picture looked like? Yep, an Native American man with two white feathers in his headdress. She made up some stupid name and said that was what he was called.
Now how do you think she could have got that right? She must be psychic.
Definitely psychic. Reminds me of a woman I was unfortunate enough to meet whilst working on a script who alleged she was psychic. I moved into a role in a new company and this woman asked who I was working for. I gave her the name of the company. She then called later in the day and asked if the colours orange and green we prominent in the company logo. I said yes. She then repeated the company name and asked if she was correct. I said yes. She then said “I sensed it”…to which I replied “Dude, I told you the name this morning and everyone knows the company colours”
The most despicable scene I witnessed amongst “psychics” was during a group discussion I had to document where one woman proclaimed a gentleman she’d never met was a pedophile and was responsible for the molestation of his children. Allegedly, her spirit guide delivered this information.
Then, sitting right next to her, another “psychic” said “Oh my god! My spirit guide told me the same thing.” That followed a third comment from another “psychic” who manage to put 2 and 2 together. She said “How can two completely different people with two completely different spirit guides be given the same information? It must be true”
I sat there with my mouth wide open. I voiced my opinion and stated that what I had just witnessed was possibly the worst interaction of stupidity since watching a drunk man try to crawl under a chalk line on the sidewalk for a $5 bet.
They looked at me like I just wasn’t getting it. The woman who put 2 and 2 together (which in this case equalled 22) says “Jose, we need to contact welfare or community child services.” I swear, I was expecting Ashton Kutcher to jump out of a closet or a drum roll with canned laughter. I gave them an earful, told them if they dared take this to the authorities I’d contact him personally, tell him everything that was said, stand in for the gentleman’s defense and make sure all three women would suffer the full brunt of the law.
My blood pressure just rose thinking about it. Grrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr!
And people keep thinking “where is the harm?”. The innocent suffer as much as the willing who seek these people out.
Imagine the grief this man would have gone through if these mediums had called child services? I know they would have been laughed at (hopefully) but they might have been forced into an investigation and then people would start talking, “there is no smoke with out fire”. The next thing you know this man is in hell.
My blood pressure is rising after reading what you wrote. I want to track them down and shake them!
I always thought the whole “Indian Guide ” thing was akin to the Winchester House deal: cashing in on the guilt of superstitous Americans for the death of thousands of indians.
Good riddance! Way to go Ramon! Hopefully, this is just the beginning. The people who prey on the grief of others are the worst kind of parasites.
I love the term “Grief-Vampires” to describe them.
Are psychotherapists, doctors, and lawyers parasites who prey on the grief and suffering of others? How far do you want to take this rhetoric?
Well, it depends on what the lawyer is doing? Is he/she chasing ambulances?
Psychotherapists and Doctors are real qualified professionals with real skills that generally help the suffering.
But good point Max. We think we know where to draw the line.
Agreed. Someone who helps me get past my grief is just that…helpful. Someone who is preying on my grief is just that…preying. And, they’re not helpful. They’re leading me to believe they can help me find my love one or continue to communicate with them after they’re gone, often for the low, low price of $300 or $500. I don’t get the point you’re trying to make Max, but you’re welcome to go spend your money talking with the dead.
I had the opportunity to use the term “grief-vampire” today in a conversation in the studio. I’m officially in love with that term.
How did you word that? I’ll try tomorrow.
It went something like this:
Producer: I got an email from (said psychic) today
Jose: And?
Producer: She asked if she had done something wrong because we haven’t contacted her in a while.
Jose: Yeah well, she’s psychic right? She already knows the answer to that question.
Producer: She said something about pitching a pilot
Jose: Ohhhhh….can’t wait. Psychic show?
Producer: I think so
Jose: Dude, email her back. I have THE best name for the show
Producer: What?
Jose: Grief Vampires
Producer: Thief Bumpers?
Jose: No. What? Why would I say Thief Bumpers? I don’t even know what that means. Man….Grief Vampires
Producer: Heaf Vampires?
Jose: What the fuck is a Heaf?
Producer: Sorry, what did you say?
Jose: Grief Vampires. Grief. Jesus Christ. You know, grief, people who feed on grief?
Producer: Ohhh! Grief! Funny
Jose: Would have been…till you killed the moment. Pfft.
I think everyone has missed a great pportunity to let Kelli Faulkner show her stuff.
Why not have the James Randi Educational Foundation place their one million dollars some where in Indiana and allow her to keep the money if she finds it. Of course her one insight into the location must be published in advance of her going to get the dough.
Richard
Jason writes…
“I wasn’t all that impressed with the letter. At least it was polite. But it was sarcastic and condescending.”
And exactly what was needed. It looks like it worked.
“And I utterly disagree with Mark Edward. This idea that any action is justified, like harassing this woman, misses the mark.
Just because someone else is cruel or awful, is that a sufficient justification for responding in a cruel or awful manner?”
This isn’t someone that took too many items in the fast-check-out line. Kelli (and friends) do REAL HARM.
“I also think that Mark is out of line critizing this poster for not doing anything. He’s here isn’t he? Its as if he isn’t “Christian” or “Muslim” or “Democrat” or “Republican” enough.”
Wrong
“and why is it justified to stare at a person with a mohawk? we have to accept some random social rule about hairstyles as legitimate without question but we are going to hound this person who is doing something that society generally finds acceptable? The point there is that breaking these people or forcing them to go low-profile isn’t changing anything. So here we are, condemning this poster for not doing anything when what we are doing is pointless.”
I think what Mark was trying to say is that when someone goes out of their way to make themselves look very different and then get upset when people look at them. I can’t believe that I’m even explaining this…
“You want to have a real impact here, with this site, and with this show? Use them to show people that social rules are open to change, that asking questions is important, that it is how we make progress, and that we have a beautiful mechanism for asking questions and getting answers.”
What?
“No one changed their mind about these matters because of these actions or any of the other guerrilla skeptic stuff. This site is at its best when it seeks to educate.”
People change their minds all the time. Usually when they are already starting to question. Mark gets people all the time telling him how he changed their mind after seeing him on Bullshit, or one of many other educational shows he has done.
Guerrilla Skepicism is NOT about attacking the shut-eyes. But putting the psychics on notice that they will no longer go unchallenged.
“We should think of this like Afghanistan and the likely-soon-to-be-unemployed General McChrystal: “for every innocent killed we make 10 enemies.” Sure, this woman is at a minimum deluded and has taken advantage of others through her delusions, but when we lash out and attack we need to ask ourselves what our potential converts actually see. Because how they see us will strongly impact whether or not they join us.”
That is one way of looking at it Jason. There is a whole group of skeptics that think this way. Maybe if we were nicer they would start to think critically? This is not the avenue that Mark Edward has chosen to travel. I’m sure someone can point you to a nice skeptic blog if you want.
I don’t care if the woman (and her friends) are delusional or not. What they are doing is wrong and mostly unchallenged. They need to stop.
What’s with all these uptight skeptics? If you respect peoples rights to defraud and manipulate so much, perhaps you should campaign for Burnie Maydoff’s release.
Bernard Madoff? I don’t get it.
Does Mark Edward deserve to go to jail for his years at the Psychic Friends Network?
What? Where are you going with this Max? If you have a point please make it.
Dylan said that psychics defraud and manipulate, and compared them to Bernie Madoff, who is serving time in jail.
Dave said, “Faulkner is, without a doubt, a criminal con artist of the worst sort. She ought to be jailed.”
So I want to know what kind of psychic services are illegal, and whether Mark’s work for the Psychic Friends Network was illegal.
“So I want to know what kind of psychic services are illegal, and whether Mark’s work for the Psychic Friends Network was illegal”
no
“Dave said, “Faulkner is, without a doubt, a criminal con artist of the worst sort. She ought to be jailed.””
no
No I don’t. If you ever called me during those years, I prided myself on being the one and only skeptical psychic. Read my book “Psychic Blues” or “Confessions of a 900 Psychic” and you will find out for yourself that working underground for getting people to think for themeselves rather than get a hook in a phone customer had a powerful influence on a lot of people, some of which might have overdosed, killed themselves or been committed to a mental institution if they hadn’t talked with me for a few brief minutes.
Well, there’s news on this situtaion that is what is to be expeceted from people like Kelli.
I received an email from Ramon today: I have edited it only a bit. We have both been trying to raech Kelli without success. Raom got lucky:
What did you expect indeed. Your courage in the face of overwheming woo is admirable. Don’t let it get you down. Look at it this way: If she had decided to take the Challenge, she would have lost and wasted even more of JREF’s time. Good job. She’s not much of a psychic if she couldn’t see through your sinecerity, right? You have throughly discredited her at least here. Now start working on something else like Lisa Williams, you will feel a lot better.
Great work Ramon! Great ideas and communication with Mark. Love it!
If I won a million dollars for my talents, I wouldn’t donate it to schools just because some teacher wants me to. But that’s just me. I can see how this angle denies psychics the excuse that they only care about helping others, not getting rich.
Your right Max. This is a unusual approach Ramon took, who does not want to help out the schools? But as I mentioned in the earier post. If you could prove this, you would be able to make billions. A million bucks would be petty change.
There’s only one proven way to beat psychics.
With a stick.
A carrot and a stick is even better – the carrot in this case being the dangled One Million Dollar challenge, IIG’s $50,000.00 offer or any other award the promises fame and fortune.
I don’t want to get my hands dirty but somebody has to. I don’t want to say that this is a war, but it’s definitely not a tea party. Thank you Mark for doing the dirty work.