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		<title>By: Jeshua</title>
		<link>http://www.skepticblog.org/2010/01/30/making-a-dent-in-a-vent/#comment-18142</link>
		<dc:creator>Jeshua</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 17 Feb 2010 14:56:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Well, that settles it for me! Carmen knows at least two psychics and they have &quot;certain abilities.&quot; Why haven&#039;t they taken up Randi&#039;s challenge yet?

I watched as much of the video she recommended as i could stomach and all i could see was a younger, New Age version of Sylvia Browne. The most amazing thing about her is that she actually convinces anyone.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Well, that settles it for me! Carmen knows at least two psychics and they have &#8220;certain abilities.&#8221; Why haven&#8217;t they taken up Randi&#8217;s challenge yet?</p>
<p>I watched as much of the video she recommended as i could stomach and all i could see was a younger, New Age version of Sylvia Browne. The most amazing thing about her is that she actually convinces anyone.</p>
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		<title>By: Carmen</title>
		<link>http://www.skepticblog.org/2010/01/30/making-a-dent-in-a-vent/#comment-18072</link>
		<dc:creator>Carmen</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 16 Feb 2010 06:19:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>If any skeptics out there would care to review the following thread, you&#039;ll find other skeptics who participated in the discussion, and a respectful dialogue or exchange which took place back in September 2005 with Ms. Vent and two other posters. Members of the scientific community are skeptical about some things but are also willing to look into things and ask questions. Science is a tool, but it can be limited. Personal experiences are just that - personal. I agree with one of the posters in the discussion as linked that the paranormal community does have a burden to bear, and that they cannot automatically expect the general public to believe every statement or claim that is made by their members. That was a point well made, in my opinion.

Where is the line drawn between skepticism and cynicism? 

http://www.sdparanormal.com/board/board_topic/310672/104581.htm</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>If any skeptics out there would care to review the following thread, you&#8217;ll find other skeptics who participated in the discussion, and a respectful dialogue or exchange which took place back in September 2005 with Ms. Vent and two other posters. Members of the scientific community are skeptical about some things but are also willing to look into things and ask questions. Science is a tool, but it can be limited. Personal experiences are just that &#8211; personal. I agree with one of the posters in the discussion as linked that the paranormal community does have a burden to bear, and that they cannot automatically expect the general public to believe every statement or claim that is made by their members. That was a point well made, in my opinion.</p>
<p>Where is the line drawn between skepticism and cynicism? </p>
<p><a href="http://www.sdparanormal.com/board/board_topic/310672/104581.htm" rel="nofollow">http://www.sdparanormal.com/board/board_topic/310672/104581.htm</a></p>
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		<title>By: Carmen</title>
		<link>http://www.skepticblog.org/2010/01/30/making-a-dent-in-a-vent/#comment-18070</link>
		<dc:creator>Carmen</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 16 Feb 2010 03:27:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Please forgive me for adding that the only person who seems &quot;more than a little bent out of shape about her claim to be able to talk to the deceased Michael Jackson&quot; is YOU, Mr. Edward. Ms. Vent isn&#039;t &quot;bent out of shape&quot; regarding her claims. Her critics are. There IS a difference. Again, your wording is key to your blog, as is doing your research. I would suggest not confusing YOUR feelings and perceptions with hers. 

Thank you again.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Please forgive me for adding that the only person who seems &#8220;more than a little bent out of shape about her claim to be able to talk to the deceased Michael Jackson&#8221; is YOU, Mr. Edward. Ms. Vent isn&#8217;t &#8220;bent out of shape&#8221; regarding her claims. Her critics are. There IS a difference. Again, your wording is key to your blog, as is doing your research. I would suggest not confusing YOUR feelings and perceptions with hers. </p>
<p>Thank you again.</p>
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		<title>By: Carmen</title>
		<link>http://www.skepticblog.org/2010/01/30/making-a-dent-in-a-vent/#comment-18069</link>
		<dc:creator>Carmen</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 16 Feb 2010 03:16:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>While I can most certainly understand the nature of skeptics in this area, and I can also certainly understand your own skepticism, Mr. Edward, I do think it would help your column if you would take a much more active approach in terms of doing homework and research on your subjects. I can understand where you&#039;re coming from, so to speak, but I can also say that having known at least two psychics personally, there really are people out there who have certain abilities that are strange, foreign or difficult to understand for the rest of us. I say this as a Christian woman who was raised and taught NOT to believe in these types of things. 

I think it would be a good idea to at least observe the scientific and research based approach she has taken in regards to discussing life after death, religion, reincarnation, the spirit world, etc, by watching her &quot;Conversations with the Dead&quot; series of videos. It&#039;s going to require several HOURS of your time to actually review these videos, but it might be worth your while. The questions posed are at times very interesting, and &quot;The Connection&quot; might be something for you to think about. Is &quot;The Connection&quot; Bonnie making things up as she goes along? Is &quot;The Connection&quot; a gimmick? Is Bonnie&#039;s partner, who participates in this research project, a scam artist in cohoots with her? Why not watch the entire series of videos and listen very carefully to the questions asked and the answers given. Then form an opinion.

http://www.sdparanormal.com/SpiritAdvocateTV.html


Also, if you pay attention to the timelines of the videos in this series, you&#039;ll find that they were recorded BEFORE Michael Jackson&#039;s death, not after. In other words, Bonnie Vent has worked with the scientific community, or at least with some members of it, in an effort to try to offer proof of some things regarding the Paranormal and after-life well before Michael Jackson&#039;s passing. It&#039;s very difficult to prove some experiences, such as being psychic, experiencing a ghost, etc. At least with scientific research, high tech tools and methods, and an open while still somewhat skeptical mind, we get some insight into some crazy things going on out there. 

As for Jackson, according to Ms. Vent, a distant family member DID actually verify Bonnie&#039;s claims in terms of Michael having a private message for that family member. Your counter argument could be, &quot;Well, let&#039;s have the name of that particular family member, and let&#039;s have the message.&quot; The only problem there, as you already know, is that such revelations would be a violation of trust and an invasion of privacy on the part of the family member and Michael Jackson himself. So you see, it&#039;s kind of a no-win, cyclical back and forth situation. 

If you&#039;ve never experienced a ghost, which I have, then you&#039;re likely to call it a crock of garbage. If you&#039;ve never encountered psychics and learned about their experiences or been given some kind of personal proof to your own satisfaction, then you will naturally remain skeptical. 

Thank you for reading my essay. It&#039;s much appreciated. Again, I suggest you watch the ENTIRE video series of &quot;Conversations with the Dead&quot; and THEN decide what you make of it and Ms. Vent&#039;s claims. I think she&#039;s earned the right to at least be acknowledged as someone who believes in research, asking questions, and seeking verification or proof of her own. And no, I&#039;m not on her payroll, and I&#039;m not a publicist - not for her or for anyone else.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>While I can most certainly understand the nature of skeptics in this area, and I can also certainly understand your own skepticism, Mr. Edward, I do think it would help your column if you would take a much more active approach in terms of doing homework and research on your subjects. I can understand where you&#8217;re coming from, so to speak, but I can also say that having known at least two psychics personally, there really are people out there who have certain abilities that are strange, foreign or difficult to understand for the rest of us. I say this as a Christian woman who was raised and taught NOT to believe in these types of things. </p>
<p>I think it would be a good idea to at least observe the scientific and research based approach she has taken in regards to discussing life after death, religion, reincarnation, the spirit world, etc, by watching her &#8220;Conversations with the Dead&#8221; series of videos. It&#8217;s going to require several HOURS of your time to actually review these videos, but it might be worth your while. The questions posed are at times very interesting, and &#8220;The Connection&#8221; might be something for you to think about. Is &#8220;The Connection&#8221; Bonnie making things up as she goes along? Is &#8220;The Connection&#8221; a gimmick? Is Bonnie&#8217;s partner, who participates in this research project, a scam artist in cohoots with her? Why not watch the entire series of videos and listen very carefully to the questions asked and the answers given. Then form an opinion.</p>
<p><a href="http://www.sdparanormal.com/SpiritAdvocateTV.html" rel="nofollow">http://www.sdparanormal.com/SpiritAdvocateTV.html</a></p>
<p>Also, if you pay attention to the timelines of the videos in this series, you&#8217;ll find that they were recorded BEFORE Michael Jackson&#8217;s death, not after. In other words, Bonnie Vent has worked with the scientific community, or at least with some members of it, in an effort to try to offer proof of some things regarding the Paranormal and after-life well before Michael Jackson&#8217;s passing. It&#8217;s very difficult to prove some experiences, such as being psychic, experiencing a ghost, etc. At least with scientific research, high tech tools and methods, and an open while still somewhat skeptical mind, we get some insight into some crazy things going on out there. </p>
<p>As for Jackson, according to Ms. Vent, a distant family member DID actually verify Bonnie&#8217;s claims in terms of Michael having a private message for that family member. Your counter argument could be, &#8220;Well, let&#8217;s have the name of that particular family member, and let&#8217;s have the message.&#8221; The only problem there, as you already know, is that such revelations would be a violation of trust and an invasion of privacy on the part of the family member and Michael Jackson himself. So you see, it&#8217;s kind of a no-win, cyclical back and forth situation. </p>
<p>If you&#8217;ve never experienced a ghost, which I have, then you&#8217;re likely to call it a crock of garbage. If you&#8217;ve never encountered psychics and learned about their experiences or been given some kind of personal proof to your own satisfaction, then you will naturally remain skeptical. </p>
<p>Thank you for reading my essay. It&#8217;s much appreciated. Again, I suggest you watch the ENTIRE video series of &#8220;Conversations with the Dead&#8221; and THEN decide what you make of it and Ms. Vent&#8217;s claims. I think she&#8217;s earned the right to at least be acknowledged as someone who believes in research, asking questions, and seeking verification or proof of her own. And no, I&#8217;m not on her payroll, and I&#8217;m not a publicist &#8211; not for her or for anyone else.</p>
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		<title>By: Methos</title>
		<link>http://www.skepticblog.org/2010/01/30/making-a-dent-in-a-vent/#comment-17895</link>
		<dc:creator>Methos</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 11 Feb 2010 17:50:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Proof shouldn&#039;t be too tough.  Why doesn&#039;t she have Michael tell her his ATM pin number?  Seems like that&#039;d go a long way.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Proof shouldn&#8217;t be too tough.  Why doesn&#8217;t she have Michael tell her his ATM pin number?  Seems like that&#8217;d go a long way.</p>
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		<title>By: Jose the Paranormal Skeptic</title>
		<link>http://www.skepticblog.org/2010/01/30/making-a-dent-in-a-vent/#comment-17640</link>
		<dc:creator>Jose the Paranormal Skeptic</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 07 Feb 2010 03:15:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I agree 100%. These psychics allege they&#039;re &quot;helping&quot; and many make the claim they don&#039;t charge for their services because their &quot;gift&quot; is not for financial gain.

So...why not take up the $1m challenge? How many people, charities, funds etc etc could benefit from a cool million?

Maybe they&#039;re secretly donating all the money they make peddling snake oil. Who knows.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I agree 100%. These psychics allege they&#8217;re &#8220;helping&#8221; and many make the claim they don&#8217;t charge for their services because their &#8220;gift&#8221; is not for financial gain.</p>
<p>So&#8230;why not take up the $1m challenge? How many people, charities, funds etc etc could benefit from a cool million?</p>
<p>Maybe they&#8217;re secretly donating all the money they make peddling snake oil. Who knows.</p>
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		<title>By: Jose the Paranormal Skeptic</title>
		<link>http://www.skepticblog.org/2010/01/30/making-a-dent-in-a-vent/#comment-17639</link>
		<dc:creator>Jose the Paranormal Skeptic</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 07 Feb 2010 03:11:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The onus of proof is on those making the claims. No one has said there&#039;s no life after death. That would be silly because it can&#039;t be proven. It&#039;s not &quot;wimping out&quot; if you haven&#039;t made that claim. Capiche?

Vent is making the claim there is life after death. So....got proof? Or are you going to wimp out and blame others for not submitting credible proof that follows protocols that qualify it as such when it&#039;s clear no one has made that claim. Eh?

You make the claim. You prove it. It&#039;s that simple.

Again...got proof?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The onus of proof is on those making the claims. No one has said there&#8217;s no life after death. That would be silly because it can&#8217;t be proven. It&#8217;s not &#8220;wimping out&#8221; if you haven&#8217;t made that claim. Capiche?</p>
<p>Vent is making the claim there is life after death. So&#8230;.got proof? Or are you going to wimp out and blame others for not submitting credible proof that follows protocols that qualify it as such when it&#8217;s clear no one has made that claim. Eh?</p>
<p>You make the claim. You prove it. It&#8217;s that simple.</p>
<p>Again&#8230;got proof?</p>
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		<title>By: Pink Dragon Diana</title>
		<link>http://www.skepticblog.org/2010/01/30/making-a-dent-in-a-vent/#comment-17621</link>
		<dc:creator>Pink Dragon Diana</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 06 Feb 2010 14:17:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Why don&#039;t you all go solve world hunger?  Your blogs have been increasingly personal and hostile. Pictures of dryer vents?  You call this journalism. I loathe the internet, anyone with opposible thumbs and a computer can rant with reckless disregard for the feelings of others. Many of you are so busy trying to kiss the derrier of your fellow skeptics it is nauseating.  I have a challenge for you:

PROVE THAT THERE IS NO LIFE AFTER DEATH. 

Don&#039;t wimp out and say, &quot;It is up to her to prove there is.&quot;  YOU are the ones making the allegation that there is no life after death. Prove that your hypothesis is true.  You can&#039;t. So, stuff it.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Why don&#8217;t you all go solve world hunger?  Your blogs have been increasingly personal and hostile. Pictures of dryer vents?  You call this journalism. I loathe the internet, anyone with opposible thumbs and a computer can rant with reckless disregard for the feelings of others. Many of you are so busy trying to kiss the derrier of your fellow skeptics it is nauseating.  I have a challenge for you:</p>
<p>PROVE THAT THERE IS NO LIFE AFTER DEATH. </p>
<p>Don&#8217;t wimp out and say, &#8220;It is up to her to prove there is.&#8221;  YOU are the ones making the allegation that there is no life after death. Prove that your hypothesis is true.  You can&#8217;t. So, stuff it.</p>
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		<title>By: Jose the Paranormal Skeptic</title>
		<link>http://www.skepticblog.org/2010/01/30/making-a-dent-in-a-vent/#comment-17527</link>
		<dc:creator>Jose the Paranormal Skeptic</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 03 Feb 2010 01:06:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>OH MY GOD! She sells Star Wars toys? To think I actually had zero respect for this con-artist! She just scored +2 respect points from me. Unfortunately, she&#039;s still scoring below zero.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>OH MY GOD! She sells Star Wars toys? To think I actually had zero respect for this con-artist! She just scored +2 respect points from me. Unfortunately, she&#8217;s still scoring below zero.</p>
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		<title>By: Sgerbic</title>
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		<dc:creator>Sgerbic</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 02 Feb 2010 02:14:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thanks for your link Jeffery.  I added it to my bookmarks, you have some interesting stuff there.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks for your link Jeffery.  I added it to my bookmarks, you have some interesting stuff there.</p>
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