Comments on: Dairy Food Causes All Disease! http://www.skepticblog.org/2009/10/08/dairy-food-causes-all-disease/ The official blog of the Skeptologists Sun, 12 Feb 2012 15:44:42 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.3.1 By: William P http://www.skepticblog.org/2009/10/08/dairy-food-causes-all-disease/#comment-56303 William P Tue, 17 May 2011 01:50:21 +0000 http://skepticblog.org/?p=4638#comment-56303 If you dispute Dr. McDougall on milk, you must take on a lot of other respected researchers. Like Nathan Pritikin, Dr. Roy Walford (UCLA), Dr. Dean Ornish, and many more. Milk does have substances that cause problems and disease. Most seriously is saturated fat. Yes, it is produced for on purpose - to feed baby cows. But there is money to be made in them thar cows, and better not mess with the Dairy Association. Check out how they have infiltrated ALL schools over the years. They give teachers stipends to write pro-milk "research" papers. The old saying - Follow the Money - brings us to the truth again. If you dispute Dr. McDougall on milk, you must take on a lot of other respected researchers. Like Nathan Pritikin, Dr. Roy Walford (UCLA), Dr. Dean Ornish, and many more.

Milk does have substances that cause problems and disease. Most seriously is saturated fat. Yes, it is produced for on purpose – to feed baby cows.

But there is money to be made in them thar cows, and better not mess with the Dairy Association. Check out how they have infiltrated ALL schools over the years. They give teachers stipends to write pro-milk “research” papers.

The old saying – Follow the Money – brings us to the truth again.

]]> By: Laura http://www.skepticblog.org/2009/10/08/dairy-food-causes-all-disease/#comment-23093 Laura Thu, 08 Jul 2010 00:04:48 +0000 http://skepticblog.org/?p=4638#comment-23093 Dr. Mcdougall has a really important message and he's right about many things. People would have far fewer heart attacks, obesity, high blood pressure if they followed his diet. I do, pretty much. My last lipid panel was excellent! BUT, I agree he has a quack aspect! He posts stories about his diet helping various diseases like lupus. Playing to people who are sick and love to believe a simple thing like a diet will help them. His claims go way beyond what's backed by research. He gives biased information, ignoring possible health problems with his diet, minimizing the risk of various vitamin deficiencies. He dismisses information that doesn't fit his preconceptions, like need for omega-3 fats or choline or extra dietary protein perhaps sparing people from some of the loss of muscle with age. He's a propagandist in a good cause. Dr. Mcdougall has a really important message and he’s right about many things. People would have far fewer heart attacks, obesity, high blood pressure if they followed his diet. I do, pretty much. My last lipid panel was excellent!
BUT, I agree he has a quack aspect! He posts stories about his diet helping various diseases like lupus. Playing to people who are sick and love to believe a simple thing like a diet will help them. His claims go way beyond what’s backed by research. He gives biased information, ignoring possible health problems with his diet, minimizing the risk of various vitamin deficiencies. He dismisses information that doesn’t fit his preconceptions, like need for omega-3 fats or choline or extra dietary protein perhaps sparing people from some of the loss of muscle with age.
He’s a propagandist in a good cause.

]]> By: Sandra Dattoli http://www.skepticblog.org/2009/10/08/dairy-food-causes-all-disease/#comment-21860 Sandra Dattoli Thu, 03 Jun 2010 12:56:30 +0000 http://skepticblog.org/?p=4638#comment-21860 You are both wrong. The doctor is right about dairy, but not right about raw dairy--raw milk is healing and especially, raw goat milk is particularly therapeutic. As for the author of this piece saying the medical establishment is not in agreement. LOL! What planet have you been living on, Sir. The medical establishment only knows how to drug, poison, or cut out something in you. You must be joking if you think they have the answer to our health. Both of you need to get some more real facts. You are both wrong. The doctor is right about dairy, but not right about raw dairy–raw milk is healing and especially, raw goat milk is particularly therapeutic.

As for the author of this piece saying the medical establishment is not in agreement. LOL! What planet have you been living on, Sir. The medical establishment only knows how to drug, poison, or cut out something in you. You must be joking if you think they have the answer to our health.

Both of you need to get some more real facts.

]]> By: GoneWithTheWind http://www.skepticblog.org/2009/10/08/dairy-food-causes-all-disease/#comment-19714 GoneWithTheWind Sun, 28 Mar 2010 18:37:46 +0000 http://skepticblog.org/?p=4638#comment-19714 Diabetes is genetic. You get it from your parents not from your diet. However it is a disease that requires you to eat some foods in preference to others and to even eliminate some foods from your diet. This simple fact has allowed many to assume that if we just all ate a "good" diet we would never get diabetes. Well, it isn't true. If you do not have then genetic predisposition for diabetes eating a piece of cake or drinking a soft drink isn't going to give it to you. Also the relationship between being obese and diabetes is not what it seems. In fact it is probable that the very same predisposition to get diabetes causes you to be obese. Obesity is a genetic problem as well. Most obese people can literally starve themselves and barely be able to reduce their weight. Diets generally do not work and your body holds onto the fat because it is programmed to do so through evolution. Fat people survived famines and our human history is one of famines. Everyone should eat a good diet but don't be fooled into thinking a bad diet causes diabetes or that a good diet "prevents" it. Although I will agree that if you have diabetes, diagnosed or not, a diabetic diet will help you put off the symptoms for awhile. Diabetes is genetic. You get it from your parents not from your diet. However it is a disease that requires you to eat some foods in preference to others and to even eliminate some foods from your diet. This simple fact has allowed many to assume that if we just all ate a “good” diet we would never get diabetes. Well, it isn’t true. If you do not have then genetic predisposition for diabetes eating a piece of cake or drinking a soft drink isn’t going to give it to you. Also the relationship between being obese and diabetes is not what it seems. In fact it is probable that the very same predisposition to get diabetes causes you to be obese. Obesity is a genetic problem as well. Most obese people can literally starve themselves and barely be able to reduce their weight. Diets generally do not work and your body holds onto the fat because it is programmed to do so through evolution. Fat people survived famines and our human history is one of famines. Everyone should eat a good diet but don’t be fooled into thinking a bad diet causes diabetes or that a good diet “prevents” it. Although I will agree that if you have diabetes, diagnosed or not, a diabetic diet will help you put off the symptoms for awhile.

]]> By: dtrg http://www.skepticblog.org/2009/10/08/dairy-food-causes-all-disease/#comment-18577 dtrg Tue, 02 Mar 2010 06:12:30 +0000 http://skepticblog.org/?p=4638#comment-18577 "..the science is overwhelming" I so love when these types of emails say things like that. Like websites about muscle enhancers that say things like its SCIENCE!!!!!!! lol. If it says science it must be telling the truth. “..the science is overwhelming”

I so love when these types of emails say things like that. Like websites about muscle enhancers that say things like its SCIENCE!!!!!!! lol. If it says science it must be telling the truth.

]]> By: Jeshua http://www.skepticblog.org/2009/10/08/dairy-food-causes-all-disease/#comment-14294 Jeshua Thu, 22 Oct 2009 02:22:46 +0000 http://skepticblog.org/?p=4638#comment-14294 It seems obvious that when it comes to diet the key is BALANCE, not whether or not you should consume this food or that. Of course, it goes without saying that more "artificial" foods such as ice cream, cookies, etc. and deep-fried foods are not good for you, but an occasional Twinkie will not kill anyone. The real problem is when people eat too much meat, dairy and so-called junk food. I know many people, especially men, who proudly proclaim how much they hate fruits and vegetables. I don't care how many studies you cite, i don't believe that's the basis for a healthy diet. On a side note, livestock production as it is usually practiced is undeniably not good for the environment. I'm a vegetarian not opposed to meat consumption, but i think the quality of meat and the methods of meat production definitely need to be improved. It seems obvious that when it comes to diet the key is BALANCE, not whether or not you should consume this food or that. Of course, it goes without saying that more “artificial” foods such as ice cream, cookies, etc. and deep-fried foods are not good for you, but an occasional Twinkie will not kill anyone. The real problem is when people eat too much meat, dairy and so-called junk food. I know many people, especially men, who proudly proclaim how much they hate fruits and vegetables. I don’t care how many studies you cite, i don’t believe that’s the basis for a healthy diet.

On a side note, livestock production as it is usually practiced is undeniably not good for the environment. I’m a vegetarian not opposed to meat consumption, but i think the quality of meat and the methods of meat production definitely need to be improved.

]]> By: Rob http://www.skepticblog.org/2009/10/08/dairy-food-causes-all-disease/#comment-13915 Rob Tue, 13 Oct 2009 20:42:30 +0000 http://skepticblog.org/?p=4638#comment-13915 It lists the studies and which periodicals they were published in and the year they were published. The book "The China Study" also covers loss of calcium due to over consumption of dairy if you need more detail... It lists the studies and which periodicals they were published in and the year they were published. The book “The China Study” also covers loss of calcium due to over consumption of dairy if you need more detail…

]]> By: Rob http://www.skepticblog.org/2009/10/08/dairy-food-causes-all-disease/#comment-13911 Rob Tue, 13 Oct 2009 20:38:25 +0000 http://skepticblog.org/?p=4638#comment-13911 You forgot to put "FTW" :) You forgot to put “FTW” :)

]]> By: Rob http://www.skepticblog.org/2009/10/08/dairy-food-causes-all-disease/#comment-13910 Rob Tue, 13 Oct 2009 20:37:33 +0000 http://skepticblog.org/?p=4638#comment-13910 I don't know you, but FTW reveals a kind of tea bagging mentality, if you've ever played Halo :). It's a way to make a point and then rub people’s noses in it as if it is the last word on the subject. Feel free to eat your meat, it always feels good to be a part of the majority. I was just raising some issues that some people might like to consider, please exclude yourself... On the issue of pets vs. cows, I do find it interesting the cognitive dissonance that occurs between animals we know and animals we don't know. I think the Asian cultures that eat dog are more intellectually honest and consistent than cultures that put them down for the practice. Animals born with invisible labels that mark them as food, test tubes, and even friends and family members. Along with excruciating acts of suffering done to cows, pigs and chickens everyday that a person would be prosecuted for inflicting on a dog or a cat. Yes, very interesting indeed... I don’t know you, but FTW reveals a kind of tea bagging mentality, if you’ve ever played Halo :). It’s a way to make a point and then rub people’s noses in it as if it is the last word on the subject.

Feel free to eat your meat, it always feels good to be a part of the majority. I was just raising some issues that some people might like to consider, please exclude yourself… On the issue of pets vs. cows, I do find it interesting the cognitive dissonance that occurs between animals we know and animals we don’t know. I think the Asian cultures that eat dog are more intellectually honest and consistent than cultures that put them down for the practice. Animals born with invisible labels that mark them as food, test tubes, and even friends and family members. Along with excruciating acts of suffering done to cows, pigs and chickens everyday that a person would be prosecuted for inflicting on a dog or a cat. Yes, very interesting indeed…

]]> By: LKL http://www.skepticblog.org/2009/10/08/dairy-food-causes-all-disease/#comment-13882 LKL Tue, 13 Oct 2009 02:49:25 +0000 http://skepticblog.org/?p=4638#comment-13882 calories consumed in any form contribute to body fat, and body fat contributes to diabetes. http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2009/06/090621143236.htm calories consumed in any form contribute to body fat, and body fat contributes to diabetes.
http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2009/06/090621143236.htm

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