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		<title>By: Donna</title>
		<link>http://www.skepticblog.org/2009/09/14/necss/#comment-13050</link>
		<dc:creator>Donna</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 18 Sep 2009 18:38:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I brought my Christian husband to NECSS. He&#039;s an electrical engineer (therefore intelligent) and was not put off by the tone of the conference, which I think is a big plus. He thought it went a little heavy on the vaccine problem, but I disagree; I thought the balance of topics was great.

Seating was tight: my husband is 6&#039;6&quot; and just didn&#039;t fit in any of the seats. We arrived very early, chose a seat for him at the end of a row, but he was asked to move over for a man who weighed in the +500 lb range. My husband was in pain all day with his legs jammed.  I vote for a new venue.

The best part for me was just being with kindred &quot;spirits&quot; (as the saying goes) all day, since I live in an area that&#039;s far-right Republican, fundy, and even has its own KKK. People who found the same things funny, knew the same names, followed the same podcasts, thought the same things important.  The speakers and crew made themselves friendly and available to talk for a long time afterwards.

We made a 3-day weekend out of it in NYC for my 9-11 birthday and will definitely be back if it&#039;s held again. If you hold it the same weekend you&#039;ll get a Christian back in the hall!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I brought my Christian husband to NECSS. He&#8217;s an electrical engineer (therefore intelligent) and was not put off by the tone of the conference, which I think is a big plus. He thought it went a little heavy on the vaccine problem, but I disagree; I thought the balance of topics was great.</p>
<p>Seating was tight: my husband is 6&#8217;6&#8243; and just didn&#8217;t fit in any of the seats. We arrived very early, chose a seat for him at the end of a row, but he was asked to move over for a man who weighed in the +500 lb range. My husband was in pain all day with his legs jammed.  I vote for a new venue.</p>
<p>The best part for me was just being with kindred &#8220;spirits&#8221; (as the saying goes) all day, since I live in an area that&#8217;s far-right Republican, fundy, and even has its own KKK. People who found the same things funny, knew the same names, followed the same podcasts, thought the same things important.  The speakers and crew made themselves friendly and available to talk for a long time afterwards.</p>
<p>We made a 3-day weekend out of it in NYC for my 9-11 birthday and will definitely be back if it&#8217;s held again. If you hold it the same weekend you&#8217;ll get a Christian back in the hall!</p>
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		<title>By: teacherninja</title>
		<link>http://www.skepticblog.org/2009/09/14/necss/#comment-13031</link>
		<dc:creator>teacherninja</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 17 Sep 2009 21:07:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It was great meeting you at Dragon*Con and I&#039;ve been wondering about this kind of thing getting too repetitive.  It could for me and the other die-hard skeptics, but one of the cool things about Dragon*Con was that there were people who stood up and said they had wandered in last year out of curiosity and had now started joining in--so that was one of the best things about having it at a con.

I think one way to keep it fresh would be to invite skeptics who may not label themselves as such, like they did this year with Seth Shostack.  Jeff Wagg was great and mentioned Consumer Reports as the best-selling skeptical magazine.  You guys mentioned great kids shows like &quot;Fetch with Ruff Ruffman&quot; that teach science and critical thinking.  Inviting people who do this kind of work to speak might be a way of injecting new voices into the movement.  Other scientists, journalists, educators and consumer advocates that also fight for reason and critical thinking.

Thanks for all your work!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It was great meeting you at Dragon*Con and I&#8217;ve been wondering about this kind of thing getting too repetitive.  It could for me and the other die-hard skeptics, but one of the cool things about Dragon*Con was that there were people who stood up and said they had wandered in last year out of curiosity and had now started joining in&#8211;so that was one of the best things about having it at a con.</p>
<p>I think one way to keep it fresh would be to invite skeptics who may not label themselves as such, like they did this year with Seth Shostack.  Jeff Wagg was great and mentioned Consumer Reports as the best-selling skeptical magazine.  You guys mentioned great kids shows like &#8220;Fetch with Ruff Ruffman&#8221; that teach science and critical thinking.  Inviting people who do this kind of work to speak might be a way of injecting new voices into the movement.  Other scientists, journalists, educators and consumer advocates that also fight for reason and critical thinking.</p>
<p>Thanks for all your work!</p>
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		<title>By: Chris</title>
		<link>http://www.skepticblog.org/2009/09/14/necss/#comment-12948</link>
		<dc:creator>Chris</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 15 Sep 2009 22:47:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The soon to be banned (again) person is Dennis Markuze.   See PZ Myers&#039; Dungeon for &lt;a href=&quot;http://scienceblogs.com/pharyngula/plonk.php&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;David Mabus&lt;/a&gt;.  He is presently spamming several blogs and a few forums.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The soon to be banned (again) person is Dennis Markuze.   See PZ Myers&#8217; Dungeon for <a href="http://scienceblogs.com/pharyngula/plonk.php" rel="nofollow">David Mabus</a>.  He is presently spamming several blogs and a few forums.</p>
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		<title>By: Mark Edward</title>
		<link>http://www.skepticblog.org/2009/09/14/necss/#comment-12929</link>
		<dc:creator>Mark Edward</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 15 Sep 2009 18:50:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hey Steve,
Whatever happened to the interview and Michael Jackson seance we did at TAM7? Was it too weird or are you saving it up for Halloween?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hey Steve,<br />
Whatever happened to the interview and Michael Jackson seance we did at TAM7? Was it too weird or are you saving it up for Halloween?</p>
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		<title>By: Joshua Hunt</title>
		<link>http://www.skepticblog.org/2009/09/14/necss/#comment-12923</link>
		<dc:creator>Joshua Hunt</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 15 Sep 2009 17:03:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I would just echo what someone else said earlier.  Make these meetings viewable online.  If not a live feed like TAM 7 did, then film them and put them on YouTube later.  Film them and sell them on DVD like the JREF does with their TAM DVD sets.  It&#039;s expensive to attend these meetings for people who do not live close by.  Making the meetings available online would be a great way to include even more people who couldn&#039;t make it.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I would just echo what someone else said earlier.  Make these meetings viewable online.  If not a live feed like TAM 7 did, then film them and put them on YouTube later.  Film them and sell them on DVD like the JREF does with their TAM DVD sets.  It&#8217;s expensive to attend these meetings for people who do not live close by.  Making the meetings available online would be a great way to include even more people who couldn&#8217;t make it.</p>
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		<title>By: uksceptic</title>
		<link>http://www.skepticblog.org/2009/09/14/necss/#comment-12912</link>
		<dc:creator>uksceptic</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 15 Sep 2009 12:51:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>As a sceptic in the UK I was devastated that TAM London was sold out in minutes. I had been following the progress for a while and was looking forward to buying my ticket. Unfortunately due to the speed of the sales I missed out. 

This got me thinking that the biggest problem that faces all of these sceptical conferences is that they run the risk of becoming insular. If an enthusiastic sceptic in London can&#039;t get a ticket to the first TAM in his city what chance do other members of the public have? 

Perhaps some individual tickets for certain lectures or workshops etc could be held back to be sold on the day? If they do this already apologies!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>As a sceptic in the UK I was devastated that TAM London was sold out in minutes. I had been following the progress for a while and was looking forward to buying my ticket. Unfortunately due to the speed of the sales I missed out. </p>
<p>This got me thinking that the biggest problem that faces all of these sceptical conferences is that they run the risk of becoming insular. If an enthusiastic sceptic in London can&#8217;t get a ticket to the first TAM in his city what chance do other members of the public have? </p>
<p>Perhaps some individual tickets for certain lectures or workshops etc could be held back to be sold on the day? If they do this already apologies!</p>
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		<title>By: Jerry Schwarz</title>
		<link>http://www.skepticblog.org/2009/09/14/necss/#comment-12890</link>
		<dc:creator>Jerry Schwarz</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 15 Sep 2009 03:08:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It&#039;s a different sort of event, but the &quot;Skeptics Tool Box&quot;  (http://skepticstoolbox.org) has been meeting since 1989 and predates TAM.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It&#8217;s a different sort of event, but the &#8220;Skeptics Tool Box&#8221;  (<a href="http://skepticstoolbox.org" rel="nofollow">http://skepticstoolbox.org</a>) has been meeting since 1989 and predates TAM.</p>
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		<title>By: tmac57</title>
		<link>http://www.skepticblog.org/2009/09/14/necss/#comment-12889</link>
		<dc:creator>tmac57</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 15 Sep 2009 03:00:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Steve, congratulations on the NECSS. 400 attendees is pretty impressive for a 1st time conference. You are quickly becoming a major force and well respected leader in the Skeptic community, and the SGU podcast is consistently one of the best. I think the blend of fun humor and good science is the key to getting and keeping new people interested in Skepticism, and you and the Rogues hit that note well. Keep up the good work, and the momentum.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Steve, congratulations on the NECSS. 400 attendees is pretty impressive for a 1st time conference. You are quickly becoming a major force and well respected leader in the Skeptic community, and the SGU podcast is consistently one of the best. I think the blend of fun humor and good science is the key to getting and keeping new people interested in Skepticism, and you and the Rogues hit that note well. Keep up the good work, and the momentum.</p>
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		<title>By: halincoh</title>
		<link>http://www.skepticblog.org/2009/09/14/necss/#comment-12886</link>
		<dc:creator>halincoh</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 15 Sep 2009 02:51:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hello Steve. I had the pleasure of meeting you at TAM 7 and I briefly shook your hand and said hello at NECCS. Here are my thoughts.

Though I&#039;ve only been officially part of the skeptic movement for about 3 years and I&#039;ve only attended two events, both this year, I see a dilema. How to we attend to all needs without being redundant?

There are core essentials to being a skeptic - the logical fallacies, the scientific method, and Bayes theorem are three that comes to mind immediately.

There are topics that are commonly addressed in skepticism. One group of topics may be lumped as debunking topics - counterattacking the anti vaccinationists, the young earth creationists, medical quackery, pseudoscience, conspiracy theorists, and the true woo believers who manipulate the public, such as psychics. A second grouping may be thought of as topics in science itself, such as medicine, biology, evolution, physics, astronomy and even chemistry. Thirdly, magic. And finally, skepticism and the media, which ranges from science fiction to music to movies/TV to publishing to communication strategies to the internet and beyond.

At meetings, we must be diverse, yet inclusive. Presently, I sense a great deal of redundancy. We must be diverse because, first of all, we are diverse, as we are scientists, physicians, IT people, artists, magicians, journalists, astrophysicists, actors, bartenders , atheists, agnostics, and apathetics. And we are also novel skeptics and experienced skeptics and somewhere inbetween.

I have attended many American and European diabetic meetings and I am ripping off my idea from how they present these meetings. Thus as we grow, especially at TAM and NECCS ( I have a feeling that Dragoncon may serve a different purpose, but since I did not attend I may be wrong ) I propose that each meeting have tracks specifically based on the discussed above sections - basics, debunking, what&#039;s new in science, magic and media. I think in addition to tracks there should be a highlighted lectures ( that do not compete with other track meetings )in EACH of the above sections. You ,in part, addressed this with the well done medical offerings at TAM. The tradition of a live SGU session should also continue as it is a shared common joy for most. Finally , social events are necessary, as this was the major difference between TAM and NECCS and the opportunity to bond should be emphasized.

We need to serve the beginners and the advanced. As we grow, we must be careful not to excessively repeat ourselves, unless necessary for further learning.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hello Steve. I had the pleasure of meeting you at TAM 7 and I briefly shook your hand and said hello at NECCS. Here are my thoughts.</p>
<p>Though I&#8217;ve only been officially part of the skeptic movement for about 3 years and I&#8217;ve only attended two events, both this year, I see a dilema. How to we attend to all needs without being redundant?</p>
<p>There are core essentials to being a skeptic &#8211; the logical fallacies, the scientific method, and Bayes theorem are three that comes to mind immediately.</p>
<p>There are topics that are commonly addressed in skepticism. One group of topics may be lumped as debunking topics &#8211; counterattacking the anti vaccinationists, the young earth creationists, medical quackery, pseudoscience, conspiracy theorists, and the true woo believers who manipulate the public, such as psychics. A second grouping may be thought of as topics in science itself, such as medicine, biology, evolution, physics, astronomy and even chemistry. Thirdly, magic. And finally, skepticism and the media, which ranges from science fiction to music to movies/TV to publishing to communication strategies to the internet and beyond.</p>
<p>At meetings, we must be diverse, yet inclusive. Presently, I sense a great deal of redundancy. We must be diverse because, first of all, we are diverse, as we are scientists, physicians, IT people, artists, magicians, journalists, astrophysicists, actors, bartenders , atheists, agnostics, and apathetics. And we are also novel skeptics and experienced skeptics and somewhere inbetween.</p>
<p>I have attended many American and European diabetic meetings and I am ripping off my idea from how they present these meetings. Thus as we grow, especially at TAM and NECCS ( I have a feeling that Dragoncon may serve a different purpose, but since I did not attend I may be wrong ) I propose that each meeting have tracks specifically based on the discussed above sections &#8211; basics, debunking, what&#8217;s new in science, magic and media. I think in addition to tracks there should be a highlighted lectures ( that do not compete with other track meetings )in EACH of the above sections. You ,in part, addressed this with the well done medical offerings at TAM. The tradition of a live SGU session should also continue as it is a shared common joy for most. Finally , social events are necessary, as this was the major difference between TAM and NECCS and the opportunity to bond should be emphasized.</p>
<p>We need to serve the beginners and the advanced. As we grow, we must be careful not to excessively repeat ourselves, unless necessary for further learning.</p>
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		<title>By: Pat in Montreal</title>
		<link>http://www.skepticblog.org/2009/09/14/necss/#comment-12885</link>
		<dc:creator>Pat in Montreal</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 15 Sep 2009 02:49:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Death threats?  

I guess it&#039;s time to send this nut-cases IP to the authorities...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Death threats?  </p>
<p>I guess it&#8217;s time to send this nut-cases IP to the authorities&#8230;</p>
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