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	<title>Comments on: Onward Christian Soldiers</title>
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		<title>By: Kris</title>
		<link>http://www.skepticblog.org/2009/06/23/onward-christian-soldiers/#comment-15116</link>
		<dc:creator>Kris</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 27 Nov 2009 18:57:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I enjoyed the read. I do have a question though. What if the government was actually supporting a religion and defending it&#039;s support right under our noses? 

Unfortunately, that is exactly what is happening in our country without most people actually knowing it. Religion is this: a cause, principle, or system of beliefs held to with ardor and faith. If government was not allowed to implement religion into our society then how in the world does the education system dogmatically teach “naturalistic evolutionary theory”? 

Naturalism is the belief that nothing exists outside of nature. That would include God and every other form of “traditional” spirituality. This theory is being taught to our children every day without most parents even knowing it. The current “science” community loves it because most of the people in powerful positions in the “science” world are naturalists and like proponents of any worldview, they want their ideology to spread. And guess what? It is being systematically spread to all of our children without our permission. 

Don’t get me wrong, I understand evolutionary theory and I acknowledge that species do change over time. That is not the issue. The issue is that naturalism has become the sanctioned religion of our education system. Unfortunately, I don’t think most of our senators, representatives, and other government officials quite get the implications. All religion that is not naturalism (which includes every other religion) is being systematically weeded out of our country through the education system. 

With regard to Christian’s desire to spread the message, of course Christians want to spread the message. If someone believes they have found the opportunity for eternal life, they will want to help others to find it to! The problem happens when idiots try and force people to believe in their religions. That is wrong because it goes against our freedom to chose. Anyone who tries to force someone to believe in their religion is a problem, but I welcome people sharing their thoughts with me. Just because we don’t agree doesn’t mean we should not share. I mean, isn’t that what this blog does?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I enjoyed the read. I do have a question though. What if the government was actually supporting a religion and defending it&#8217;s support right under our noses? </p>
<p>Unfortunately, that is exactly what is happening in our country without most people actually knowing it. Religion is this: a cause, principle, or system of beliefs held to with ardor and faith. If government was not allowed to implement religion into our society then how in the world does the education system dogmatically teach “naturalistic evolutionary theory”? </p>
<p>Naturalism is the belief that nothing exists outside of nature. That would include God and every other form of “traditional” spirituality. This theory is being taught to our children every day without most parents even knowing it. The current “science” community loves it because most of the people in powerful positions in the “science” world are naturalists and like proponents of any worldview, they want their ideology to spread. And guess what? It is being systematically spread to all of our children without our permission. </p>
<p>Don’t get me wrong, I understand evolutionary theory and I acknowledge that species do change over time. That is not the issue. The issue is that naturalism has become the sanctioned religion of our education system. Unfortunately, I don’t think most of our senators, representatives, and other government officials quite get the implications. All religion that is not naturalism (which includes every other religion) is being systematically weeded out of our country through the education system. </p>
<p>With regard to Christian’s desire to spread the message, of course Christians want to spread the message. If someone believes they have found the opportunity for eternal life, they will want to help others to find it to! The problem happens when idiots try and force people to believe in their religions. That is wrong because it goes against our freedom to chose. Anyone who tries to force someone to believe in their religion is a problem, but I welcome people sharing their thoughts with me. Just because we don’t agree doesn’t mean we should not share. I mean, isn’t that what this blog does?</p>
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		<title>By: Loughlin Tatem</title>
		<link>http://www.skepticblog.org/2009/06/23/onward-christian-soldiers/#comment-11711</link>
		<dc:creator>Loughlin Tatem</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 26 Aug 2009 11:39:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Anybody who has grown up in the evangelical churches of the nineteen sixties and before has sung with gusto, hands raised and waving: &quot;Onward christian soldiers marching as to war, with the cross of Jesus, going on before...&quot; These hymns have now been replaced by choruses about wealth and prosperity, so maybe there is some hope.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Anybody who has grown up in the evangelical churches of the nineteen sixties and before has sung with gusto, hands raised and waving: &#8220;Onward christian soldiers marching as to war, with the cross of Jesus, going on before&#8230;&#8221; These hymns have now been replaced by choruses about wealth and prosperity, so maybe there is some hope.</p>
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		<title>By: fascination</title>
		<link>http://www.skepticblog.org/2009/06/23/onward-christian-soldiers/#comment-11594</link>
		<dc:creator>fascination</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 25 Aug 2009 03:13:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>No, its not taught in high schools. At least not the two that I attended. With public education being as it is in this country most of us have to educate ourselves.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>No, its not taught in high schools. At least not the two that I attended. With public education being as it is in this country most of us have to educate ourselves.</p>
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		<title>By: fascination</title>
		<link>http://www.skepticblog.org/2009/06/23/onward-christian-soldiers/#comment-11593</link>
		<dc:creator>fascination</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 25 Aug 2009 03:11:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Amen!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Amen!</p>
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		<title>By: William Mook</title>
		<link>http://www.skepticblog.org/2009/06/23/onward-christian-soldiers/#comment-10948</link>
		<dc:creator>William Mook</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 10 Aug 2009 01:40:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Our propensity toward violence stems from our need to be more than we are, because within us is a deeply held dissatisfaction with what we are.  All violence hopes to create conditions that allow us to hide our internal truth and attempt to establish something we know is not true in the very ways untruth was established *in* us when we were small, fragile and helpless.  Recognize this weakness among all those who pretend to strength through violence, and violence is undone.  

Those who attempt to bring the God idea in whatever form to their aid to bolster the lie of violence against others whom God certainly created in any legendary role of God, make of God&#039;s memory a hollow idol of hate and vengence and deny the possibility of a loving world of peace and hope and prosperity where all can love one another for a little while, help one another for a little while and enjoy each other&#039;s company for a little while - which in any sane interpretation of God&#039;s intent would be.

We see in the faces of our enemies a reflection of our own lost hopes and dreams which we set aside as children.  The fears and uncertainties our enemies give to us merely activate the lasting fear and uncertainty instilled in us by abusive parents and guardians who used violence to enforce their own mad ideas on us before we were beaten into submission and became mad ourselves.  

Carl Sagan told me once that he had hope of human progress because at the beginning of 19th century the idea of human slavery was widely accepted.  The more productive naturally would organize the affairs of the less prodcutive and slavery was the natural result.  A world without slavery would condemn a whole race of less productive people to poverty and ruin.  At the end of the 19th century no civilized person would own a slave or defend slavery in any way.  It was obvious to all by that time that slavery was abhorrent and abusive.  This suggested there may be a time in human affairs when organized killing of humans would end.  There was a time when people raised armies to kill other people and then there was a time when no civilized person would suffer the death of another - no matter what the reason.  Such a world of increased awareness should be possible given the history of slavery.

This blog is testimony to the remoteness of Sagan&#039;s hope.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Our propensity toward violence stems from our need to be more than we are, because within us is a deeply held dissatisfaction with what we are.  All violence hopes to create conditions that allow us to hide our internal truth and attempt to establish something we know is not true in the very ways untruth was established *in* us when we were small, fragile and helpless.  Recognize this weakness among all those who pretend to strength through violence, and violence is undone.  </p>
<p>Those who attempt to bring the God idea in whatever form to their aid to bolster the lie of violence against others whom God certainly created in any legendary role of God, make of God&#8217;s memory a hollow idol of hate and vengence and deny the possibility of a loving world of peace and hope and prosperity where all can love one another for a little while, help one another for a little while and enjoy each other&#8217;s company for a little while &#8211; which in any sane interpretation of God&#8217;s intent would be.</p>
<p>We see in the faces of our enemies a reflection of our own lost hopes and dreams which we set aside as children.  The fears and uncertainties our enemies give to us merely activate the lasting fear and uncertainty instilled in us by abusive parents and guardians who used violence to enforce their own mad ideas on us before we were beaten into submission and became mad ourselves.  </p>
<p>Carl Sagan told me once that he had hope of human progress because at the beginning of 19th century the idea of human slavery was widely accepted.  The more productive naturally would organize the affairs of the less prodcutive and slavery was the natural result.  A world without slavery would condemn a whole race of less productive people to poverty and ruin.  At the end of the 19th century no civilized person would own a slave or defend slavery in any way.  It was obvious to all by that time that slavery was abhorrent and abusive.  This suggested there may be a time in human affairs when organized killing of humans would end.  There was a time when people raised armies to kill other people and then there was a time when no civilized person would suffer the death of another &#8211; no matter what the reason.  Such a world of increased awareness should be possible given the history of slavery.</p>
<p>This blog is testimony to the remoteness of Sagan&#8217;s hope.</p>
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		<title>By: CR_Fauchald</title>
		<link>http://www.skepticblog.org/2009/06/23/onward-christian-soldiers/#comment-10078</link>
		<dc:creator>CR_Fauchald</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 21 Jul 2009 18:49:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;But what is truly frightening is the fact that 1% translates into 3 million potentially violent citizens in our country alone.&quot;

1% = 3 Million?

So, you&#039;re saying that the entire population of the US is suddenly Christian?

Fail.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;But what is truly frightening is the fact that 1% translates into 3 million potentially violent citizens in our country alone.&#8221;</p>
<p>1% = 3 Million?</p>
<p>So, you&#8217;re saying that the entire population of the US is suddenly Christian?</p>
<p>Fail.</p>
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		<title>By: tmac57</title>
		<link>http://www.skepticblog.org/2009/06/23/onward-christian-soldiers/#comment-9243</link>
		<dc:creator>tmac57</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 30 Jun 2009 19:06:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Rob- You took the words right out of my mouth. I am so sick of hearing people with all of the advantages cry whenever secular people try to make them live up to the Constitution.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Rob- You took the words right out of my mouth. I am so sick of hearing people with all of the advantages cry whenever secular people try to make them live up to the Constitution.</p>
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		<title>By: Devil's Advocate</title>
		<link>http://www.skepticblog.org/2009/06/23/onward-christian-soldiers/#comment-9186</link>
		<dc:creator>Devil's Advocate</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 29 Jun 2009 19:30:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>What is it about &quot;j/k&quot; that you don&#039;t understand? And how you decided that likening con artists to &#039;invisible&#039; aspects of the market is an anti-free market jab is beyond understanding, especially when offered in humor. 

See those two bolts, one on each of your temples? Loosen each  one turn.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>What is it about &#8220;j/k&#8221; that you don&#8217;t understand? And how you decided that likening con artists to &#8216;invisible&#8217; aspects of the market is an anti-free market jab is beyond understanding, especially when offered in humor. </p>
<p>See those two bolts, one on each of your temples? Loosen each  one turn.</p>
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		<title>By: Jeff</title>
		<link>http://www.skepticblog.org/2009/06/23/onward-christian-soldiers/#comment-9172</link>
		<dc:creator>Jeff</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 29 Jun 2009 16:01:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Re. Devil&#039;s Advocate&#039;s anti-free-market jab

The free market&#039;s &quot;invisible hand&quot; only becomes a religion-like absurdity when one endows that invisible hand with a brain. Morality &amp; ethics, like the free (unregulated) market, are merely a framework for viewing physics---the physics of human interaction. And it&#039;s not until one introduces the &quot;quantum&quot; aspects of god to morality, and omniscience to the free-market&#039;s invisible hand, that one inevitably runs afoul of the undeniable for-every-action-there-is-an-equal-and-opposite-reaction physics of both morality and economics. The (seemingly unavoidable) stumbling block seems to be not the lack of religion/regulation, but the inevitable blowback from both of them...requiring more religion/regulation...which produces yet more and deadlier blowback...ad infinitum.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Re. Devil&#8217;s Advocate&#8217;s anti-free-market jab</p>
<p>The free market&#8217;s &#8220;invisible hand&#8221; only becomes a religion-like absurdity when one endows that invisible hand with a brain. Morality &amp; ethics, like the free (unregulated) market, are merely a framework for viewing physics&#8212;the physics of human interaction. And it&#8217;s not until one introduces the &#8220;quantum&#8221; aspects of god to morality, and omniscience to the free-market&#8217;s invisible hand, that one inevitably runs afoul of the undeniable for-every-action-there-is-an-equal-and-opposite-reaction physics of both morality and economics. The (seemingly unavoidable) stumbling block seems to be not the lack of religion/regulation, but the inevitable blowback from both of them&#8230;requiring more religion/regulation&#8230;which produces yet more and deadlier blowback&#8230;ad infinitum.</p>
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		<title>By: TryUsingLogic</title>
		<link>http://www.skepticblog.org/2009/06/23/onward-christian-soldiers/#comment-9143</link>
		<dc:creator>TryUsingLogic</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 28 Jun 2009 02:41:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>When Shermer says....&quot;The freedom to believe whatever you want, and to keep government out of the religion business is, counter-intuitively, the best thing that ever happened to religion. Religions thrive in America because the secular government of these United States allows them to.&quot; tells it like it is.  Christians like to say America is great because we are a Christian nation, but they are as wrong about that as they are about their faith.  Freedom is the reason for America&#039;s greatness and when Shermer discusses his thoughts on freedom it amazes me how many skeptics explode into a fit of anger and rage and condemn what should be a reasonable and important discussion. 

Michael, what a great article!

Thanks...

TryUsingLogic</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>When Shermer says&#8230;.&#8221;The freedom to believe whatever you want, and to keep government out of the religion business is, counter-intuitively, the best thing that ever happened to religion. Religions thrive in America because the secular government of these United States allows them to.&#8221; tells it like it is.  Christians like to say America is great because we are a Christian nation, but they are as wrong about that as they are about their faith.  Freedom is the reason for America&#8217;s greatness and when Shermer discusses his thoughts on freedom it amazes me how many skeptics explode into a fit of anger and rage and condemn what should be a reasonable and important discussion. </p>
<p>Michael, what a great article!</p>
<p>Thanks&#8230;</p>
<p>TryUsingLogic</p>
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