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		<title>By: Darrin Cardani</title>
		<link>http://www.skepticblog.org/2009/05/23/unicorn-wings/#comment-8316</link>
		<dc:creator>Darrin Cardani</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 02 Jun 2009 00:06:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Awesome! I may consider trying that!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Awesome! I may consider trying that!</p>
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		<title>By: baron_army</title>
		<link>http://www.skepticblog.org/2009/05/23/unicorn-wings/#comment-8298</link>
		<dc:creator>baron_army</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 01 Jun 2009 15:46:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I wrote a series of letters.  The first letter was a complaint I sent to the Office of the Attorney General, Office of the Governor, and the Consumer Protection Board.  The second was a complaint and the offer to supply journal articles.  About a week later, the Consumer Protection Board called me and asked for the articles -- which I supplied.

The Office of the Attorney General sent me a form letter indicating they had registered the complaint and gave it an index number.  I never heard anything more from them. I never heard anything from the Office of the Governor. 

The Consumer Protection Board, however, did pursue the complaint.  I had initially asked that the magnet hucksters not be allowed to sell there wares but the CPB decided they could sell their products -- if they didn&#039;t make outlandish claims.  The packet of information I received from the CPB included their communication with an attorney for the State as well as photo copies of some other communication as well as their ruling.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I wrote a series of letters.  The first letter was a complaint I sent to the Office of the Attorney General, Office of the Governor, and the Consumer Protection Board.  The second was a complaint and the offer to supply journal articles.  About a week later, the Consumer Protection Board called me and asked for the articles &#8212; which I supplied.</p>
<p>The Office of the Attorney General sent me a form letter indicating they had registered the complaint and gave it an index number.  I never heard anything more from them. I never heard anything from the Office of the Governor. </p>
<p>The Consumer Protection Board, however, did pursue the complaint.  I had initially asked that the magnet hucksters not be allowed to sell there wares but the CPB decided they could sell their products &#8212; if they didn&#8217;t make outlandish claims.  The packet of information I received from the CPB included their communication with an attorney for the State as well as photo copies of some other communication as well as their ruling.</p>
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		<title>By: Darrin Cardani</title>
		<link>http://www.skepticblog.org/2009/05/23/unicorn-wings/#comment-8232</link>
		<dc:creator>Darrin Cardani</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 29 May 2009 20:40:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>How did you force them to take down their &quot;healing&quot; claim? Did you sue them? Please let us know what it takes!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>How did you force them to take down their &#8220;healing&#8221; claim? Did you sue them? Please let us know what it takes!</p>
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		<title>By: TonyaK</title>
		<link>http://www.skepticblog.org/2009/05/23/unicorn-wings/#comment-8207</link>
		<dc:creator>TonyaK</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 29 May 2009 10:50:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Susan, you are explaining yourself quite well.  It is an interesting point to ponder...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Susan, you are explaining yourself quite well.  It is an interesting point to ponder&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Susan Gerbic</title>
		<link>http://www.skepticblog.org/2009/05/23/unicorn-wings/#comment-8139</link>
		<dc:creator>Susan Gerbic</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 28 May 2009 15:28:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I don&#039;t have the answer Tonya.  I don&#039;t like having to qualify everything I say either.  Yet I think skeptics should understand who they are engaging in conversation and the power of the words we say.  When discussing psychics with a believer remember that in their mind psychics exist and we are just determining why the specific psychic may or may not be truly psychic.  This can be very confusing to both sides when the words mean different things.  Not sure I&#039;m explaining myself well here.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I don&#8217;t have the answer Tonya.  I don&#8217;t like having to qualify everything I say either.  Yet I think skeptics should understand who they are engaging in conversation and the power of the words we say.  When discussing psychics with a believer remember that in their mind psychics exist and we are just determining why the specific psychic may or may not be truly psychic.  This can be very confusing to both sides when the words mean different things.  Not sure I&#8217;m explaining myself well here.</p>
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		<title>By: TonyaK</title>
		<link>http://www.skepticblog.org/2009/05/23/unicorn-wings/#comment-8116</link>
		<dc:creator>TonyaK</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 28 May 2009 13:32:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>That&#039;s an interesting point, Susan.  Do we have to begin to coin new words in order to discuss these issues without giving the appearance of giving credence to these ideas?  How far should this be taken to avoid giving the illusion that one might buy into the flim-flam?  Should we never utter the words, &quot;Santa Claus?&quot; (See, I appropriately placed the name in air quotes to avoid giving anyone the impression that I believe an obese bearded man delivers Christmas gifts all over the world in just a few magical hours with the aid of flying reindeer.)

Where should skeptics draw the line at avoiding looking like we might believe something?  Do we draw that line so harshly that we end up making ourselves look even more ridiculous than the people making these claims?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>That&#8217;s an interesting point, Susan.  Do we have to begin to coin new words in order to discuss these issues without giving the appearance of giving credence to these ideas?  How far should this be taken to avoid giving the illusion that one might buy into the flim-flam?  Should we never utter the words, &#8220;Santa Claus?&#8221; (See, I appropriately placed the name in air quotes to avoid giving anyone the impression that I believe an obese bearded man delivers Christmas gifts all over the world in just a few magical hours with the aid of flying reindeer.)</p>
<p>Where should skeptics draw the line at avoiding looking like we might believe something?  Do we draw that line so harshly that we end up making ourselves look even more ridiculous than the people making these claims?</p>
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		<title>By: Susan Gerbic</title>
		<link>http://www.skepticblog.org/2009/05/23/unicorn-wings/#comment-8113</link>
		<dc:creator>Susan Gerbic</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 28 May 2009 12:28:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Just a thought...

When skeptics use terms like, psychic, haunted houses, aura and the like aren&#039;t we buying into the unicorn wings?  We are saying that people can be psychic, houses can be haunted, and glowy things exist around people, all without any proof that any of this is possible.  I suppose we should use air-quotes when speaking of such things, but that becomes awkward and annoying. Still when these words are used without some kind of disclaimer then to the believer and the general pubic we have already bought into the argument. And perception is so important to education isn&#039;t it?

Susan</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Just a thought&#8230;</p>
<p>When skeptics use terms like, psychic, haunted houses, aura and the like aren&#8217;t we buying into the unicorn wings?  We are saying that people can be psychic, houses can be haunted, and glowy things exist around people, all without any proof that any of this is possible.  I suppose we should use air-quotes when speaking of such things, but that becomes awkward and annoying. Still when these words are used without some kind of disclaimer then to the believer and the general pubic we have already bought into the argument. And perception is so important to education isn&#8217;t it?</p>
<p>Susan</p>
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		<title>By: TonyaK</title>
		<link>http://www.skepticblog.org/2009/05/23/unicorn-wings/#comment-8107</link>
		<dc:creator>TonyaK</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 28 May 2009 11:19:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Jose,

While your comments apply to the vast majority of people who call themselves paranormal researchers, they do not apply to everyone.  With that said, I agree wholeheartedly that the use of these devices, by and large, is nothing but woo-inspired, pareidolia-ridden, belief-confirming parlor tricks.  Most of what goes on in the paranormal community is either an effort to &quot;get noticed&quot; or validate pre-existing beliefs.  Attempts to get these individuals to test their claims using a scientific protocol are met with excuse after excuse after excuse.  Offers to help set up a scientific testing protocol have repeatedly been ignored or met with comments such as &quot;you are just a cynic&quot; or excuses are made as to why a specific type of protocol will not work.  Efforts that have been made to provide a venue for peer review of research have been virtually ignored and therefore have been unsuccessful.

You are right.  People will believe what they want to believe.  What always angers me is when these people refer to what they are doing as &quot;science&quot; or attempt to back up their snakeoil salesman&#039;s pitch with their &quot;research data.&quot;

If I had no scruples, I would tell the world that I can send and receive text messages from ghosts and take my show on the road.  I&#039;d make millions!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Jose,</p>
<p>While your comments apply to the vast majority of people who call themselves paranormal researchers, they do not apply to everyone.  With that said, I agree wholeheartedly that the use of these devices, by and large, is nothing but woo-inspired, pareidolia-ridden, belief-confirming parlor tricks.  Most of what goes on in the paranormal community is either an effort to &#8220;get noticed&#8221; or validate pre-existing beliefs.  Attempts to get these individuals to test their claims using a scientific protocol are met with excuse after excuse after excuse.  Offers to help set up a scientific testing protocol have repeatedly been ignored or met with comments such as &#8220;you are just a cynic&#8221; or excuses are made as to why a specific type of protocol will not work.  Efforts that have been made to provide a venue for peer review of research have been virtually ignored and therefore have been unsuccessful.</p>
<p>You are right.  People will believe what they want to believe.  What always angers me is when these people refer to what they are doing as &#8220;science&#8221; or attempt to back up their snakeoil salesman&#8217;s pitch with their &#8220;research data.&#8221;</p>
<p>If I had no scruples, I would tell the world that I can send and receive text messages from ghosts and take my show on the road.  I&#8217;d make millions!</p>
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		<title>By: Mr Stu dislikes WOO!</title>
		<link>http://www.skepticblog.org/2009/05/23/unicorn-wings/#comment-8100</link>
		<dc:creator>Mr Stu dislikes WOO!</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 28 May 2009 05:04:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Punch one on the way home then.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Punch one on the way home then.</p>
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		<title>By: Jose the Paranormal Skeptic</title>
		<link>http://www.skepticblog.org/2009/05/23/unicorn-wings/#comment-8095</link>
		<dc:creator>Jose the Paranormal Skeptic</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 28 May 2009 03:56:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The funny thing about &quot;researchers&quot; involved in the paranormal scene, in my opinion, is that they only allow themselves to nurture their belief rather than actually &quot;research&quot; anything. These devices are, in my honest opinion, proof of this. Why people invest so much money on these bogus gadgets is beyond me. Many people who use these devices do so with the excuse that they need to &quot;research&quot; the device&#039;s capabilities. I built one of these devices myself in order to illustrate how ridiculous the claims it contacted &quot;the other side&quot; were. I guess I&#039;m guilty of my above comment.

I stumbled across a group on my brief visit to the US last year who used a device much like Frank&#039;s Box to communicate with the &quot;other side&quot;. Their skepticism of the device impressed me via email but I was not impressed when I saw them in action with the device. &quot;We&#039;ve had interesting results&quot; they claimed whilst relaying their &quot;evidence&quot; of voices they captured.

The fact is, people will believe what they want to believe and genuine &quot;research&quot; has nothing to do with their &quot;paranormal&quot; endeavors.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The funny thing about &#8220;researchers&#8221; involved in the paranormal scene, in my opinion, is that they only allow themselves to nurture their belief rather than actually &#8220;research&#8221; anything. These devices are, in my honest opinion, proof of this. Why people invest so much money on these bogus gadgets is beyond me. Many people who use these devices do so with the excuse that they need to &#8220;research&#8221; the device&#8217;s capabilities. I built one of these devices myself in order to illustrate how ridiculous the claims it contacted &#8220;the other side&#8221; were. I guess I&#8217;m guilty of my above comment.</p>
<p>I stumbled across a group on my brief visit to the US last year who used a device much like Frank&#8217;s Box to communicate with the &#8220;other side&#8221;. Their skepticism of the device impressed me via email but I was not impressed when I saw them in action with the device. &#8220;We&#8217;ve had interesting results&#8221; they claimed whilst relaying their &#8220;evidence&#8221; of voices they captured.</p>
<p>The fact is, people will believe what they want to believe and genuine &#8220;research&#8221; has nothing to do with their &#8220;paranormal&#8221; endeavors.</p>
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