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		<title>By: Dale</title>
		<link>http://www.skepticblog.org/2009/04/21/free-to-try/#comment-16689</link>
		<dc:creator>Dale</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 05 Jan 2010 00:52:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Surely, Dr. Shermer is putting us on - perhaps stirring the pot a bit for reaction! You can&#039;t possibly believe that an education funded by private interests would be able to to teach critical thinking about those same private interests.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Surely, Dr. Shermer is putting us on &#8211; perhaps stirring the pot a bit for reaction! You can&#8217;t possibly believe that an education funded by private interests would be able to to teach critical thinking about those same private interests.</p>
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		<title>By: Fred</title>
		<link>http://www.skepticblog.org/2009/04/21/free-to-try/#comment-11541</link>
		<dc:creator>Fred</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 24 Aug 2009 00:05:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Some Canadian Skeptic has written quite a response to this article:

http://somecanadianskeptic.blogspot.com/2009/08/michael-shermer-false-profit-of.html</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Some Canadian Skeptic has written quite a response to this article:</p>
<p><a href="http://somecanadianskeptic.blogspot.com/2009/08/michael-shermer-false-profit-of.html" rel="nofollow">http://somecanadianskeptic.blogspot.com/2009/08/michael-shermer-false-profit-of.html</a></p>
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		<title>By: Sara N</title>
		<link>http://www.skepticblog.org/2009/04/21/free-to-try/#comment-9752</link>
		<dc:creator>Sara N</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 13 Jul 2009 15:01:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I really hate the idea of competitive schooling. You have charter schools and schools run by companies like a business vying against public schools. Then you take money away from public schools. This also creates more of a classist (and often racist) division in the kinds of schools parents can &#039;afford.&#039; 

Worse, private schools are generally Catholic or religious. By giving out vouchers to private schools the government most definitely skews the line between the separation of church and state. 

Educational entrepreneurs are everywhere in public schools, developing standards, professional growth, and methodologies of teaching. Good teachers will implement such measures with appropriate training. In this essay, you seem to imagine teachers as having very little power. 

Stick to skepticism, Mr. Shermer... not education politics.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I really hate the idea of competitive schooling. You have charter schools and schools run by companies like a business vying against public schools. Then you take money away from public schools. This also creates more of a classist (and often racist) division in the kinds of schools parents can &#8216;afford.&#8217; </p>
<p>Worse, private schools are generally Catholic or religious. By giving out vouchers to private schools the government most definitely skews the line between the separation of church and state. </p>
<p>Educational entrepreneurs are everywhere in public schools, developing standards, professional growth, and methodologies of teaching. Good teachers will implement such measures with appropriate training. In this essay, you seem to imagine teachers as having very little power. </p>
<p>Stick to skepticism, Mr. Shermer&#8230; not education politics.</p>
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		<title>By: Max</title>
		<link>http://www.skepticblog.org/2009/04/21/free-to-try/#comment-8385</link>
		<dc:creator>Max</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 04 Jun 2009 05:42:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Bill Gates said that American teachers are rewarded for the two least important factors, seniority and a Masters degree in education, instead of the most important factor, their performance. 
He said that some teacher&#039;s contracts allow the principal to come into the classroom as little as once per year with advanced notice.
As others have noted, that&#039;s largely thanks to teachers&#039; unions, which also oppose the successful Teach for America program.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Teach_For_America
In a study published by the Urban Institute and the Calder Center in March 2008, the authors found &quot;that TFA teachers tend to have a positive effect on high school student test scores relative to non-TFA teachers, including those who are certified in-field. Such effects exceed the impact of additional years of experience and are particularly strong in math and science.&quot;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Bill Gates said that American teachers are rewarded for the two least important factors, seniority and a Masters degree in education, instead of the most important factor, their performance.<br />
He said that some teacher&#8217;s contracts allow the principal to come into the classroom as little as once per year with advanced notice.<br />
As others have noted, that&#8217;s largely thanks to teachers&#8217; unions, which also oppose the successful Teach for America program.</p>
<p><a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Teach_For_America" rel="nofollow">http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Teach_For_America</a><br />
In a study published by the Urban Institute and the Calder Center in March 2008, the authors found &#8220;that TFA teachers tend to have a positive effect on high school student test scores relative to non-TFA teachers, including those who are certified in-field. Such effects exceed the impact of additional years of experience and are particularly strong in math and science.&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: Max</title>
		<link>http://www.skepticblog.org/2009/04/21/free-to-try/#comment-8384</link>
		<dc:creator>Max</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 04 Jun 2009 05:13:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>There&#039;s a lot more to a school than its curriculum and facilities. Like its teachers.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>There&#8217;s a lot more to a school than its curriculum and facilities. Like its teachers.</p>
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		<title>By: danekart</title>
		<link>http://www.skepticblog.org/2009/04/21/free-to-try/#comment-8381</link>
		<dc:creator>danekart</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 04 Jun 2009 02:13:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>In Australia the private schools aren&#039;t superior to the public schools. They all teach the same curriculum! Private schools are just for parents with money, so the school has better facilities - or religious schools, where the children are indoctrinated with the appropriate mythology daily to ensure the health and prosperity of the religion meme.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In Australia the private schools aren&#8217;t superior to the public schools. They all teach the same curriculum! Private schools are just for parents with money, so the school has better facilities &#8211; or religious schools, where the children are indoctrinated with the appropriate mythology daily to ensure the health and prosperity of the religion meme.</p>
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		<title>By: terry_freeman</title>
		<link>http://www.skepticblog.org/2009/04/21/free-to-try/#comment-6949</link>
		<dc:creator>terry_freeman</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 10 May 2009 21:37:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Regarding railroads, anybody who thinks that the post-Civil War experience is a good argument for &quot;Natural Monopoly&quot; has been reading too many government-approved texts. Much of the American railroad experience was heavily subsidized, via huge land grants, lucrative government contracts, and government-backed bonds. Whatever you subsidize tends to increase, but it tends to attract people who are good at politics, not at sound entrepreneurship. The railroads overbuilt, and did not watch expenses. Initially, profits were high; when the subsidies were cut back, the big railroad companies had trouble competing with newer, more eager competitors. The big railroads petitioned for government regulation to protect their profits; to create a legalized cartel. You can find documentation for this in many sources, including Kolko.

The history of &quot;public utilities&quot; is a history of firms seeking above-market returns in exchange for &quot;regulatory discipline.&quot; Since the firms themselves write the regulation, this &quot;regulatory discipline&quot; is as meaningful as the &quot;conflict&quot; in studio wrestling.

The prevalence of erroneous beliefs about history, which happen to be propagated by government monopoly schools, suggests that those institutions are more about promoting the government line than about discovering the truth. Skeptics are surely aware that at least two States - California and Texas - have state-wide agencies which control all textbooks used in their states. Richard Feynman documented his experience on such a committee. Their efforts were less about improving the educational quality of textbooks than about improving their political quality.

Some commenters remark that European government schools are better than American schools. You may be accustomed to thinking of Europe as &quot;socialist&quot; and America as &quot;laissez faire&quot;, but the reality is that we Americans can afford a lot more political lobbying than Europeans can, so our schools are actually more politicized than theirs.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Regarding railroads, anybody who thinks that the post-Civil War experience is a good argument for &#8220;Natural Monopoly&#8221; has been reading too many government-approved texts. Much of the American railroad experience was heavily subsidized, via huge land grants, lucrative government contracts, and government-backed bonds. Whatever you subsidize tends to increase, but it tends to attract people who are good at politics, not at sound entrepreneurship. The railroads overbuilt, and did not watch expenses. Initially, profits were high; when the subsidies were cut back, the big railroad companies had trouble competing with newer, more eager competitors. The big railroads petitioned for government regulation to protect their profits; to create a legalized cartel. You can find documentation for this in many sources, including Kolko.</p>
<p>The history of &#8220;public utilities&#8221; is a history of firms seeking above-market returns in exchange for &#8220;regulatory discipline.&#8221; Since the firms themselves write the regulation, this &#8220;regulatory discipline&#8221; is as meaningful as the &#8220;conflict&#8221; in studio wrestling.</p>
<p>The prevalence of erroneous beliefs about history, which happen to be propagated by government monopoly schools, suggests that those institutions are more about promoting the government line than about discovering the truth. Skeptics are surely aware that at least two States &#8211; California and Texas &#8211; have state-wide agencies which control all textbooks used in their states. Richard Feynman documented his experience on such a committee. Their efforts were less about improving the educational quality of textbooks than about improving their political quality.</p>
<p>Some commenters remark that European government schools are better than American schools. You may be accustomed to thinking of Europe as &#8220;socialist&#8221; and America as &#8220;laissez faire&#8221;, but the reality is that we Americans can afford a lot more political lobbying than Europeans can, so our schools are actually more politicized than theirs.</p>
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		<title>By: terry_freeman</title>
		<link>http://www.skepticblog.org/2009/04/21/free-to-try/#comment-6948</link>
		<dc:creator>terry_freeman</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 10 May 2009 21:21:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I am amazed at the number of commenters who seem to be totally unaware that free-market schools do exist, and do very well. I recommend reading James Tooley&#039;s research, about many countries where poor people much prefer private-sector schools to government schools.

I have a grandson who, at the age of five, emailed me a cryptogram of his own devising, and challenged me to decode it. I did so, and responded with another, which he decoded. He and his siblings read fluently. At the age of seven, he confidently handles negative numbers, fractions, decimals, and other problems which would challenge high school students. He&#039;s not a genius; he has the advantage of being a second-generation homeschooler. Like many others, he doesn&#039;t waste time on the factory approach to education. 

People who claim to be &quot;skeptics&quot; are entirely too willing to believe that the Authorities know all the answers about how to teach effectively. Free market providers swap information; they try what works and discard what does not. In short, they innovate. Governments coerce; they reduce choices; they may sometimes outlaw bad choices, but above all, they do not innovate; inertia causes governments to preserve old ways of doing things, however flawed they may be. How can you tell that a better way exists, absent comparision? Today, homeschooling provides a window by which we can compare our &quot;fine government schools&quot; to unregulated alternatives. 

True skeptics are invited to investigate the research into the performance of homeschoolers. If they can explain why children learn to read and write at home by the age of three or four, but government schools consider it a marvel at the age of nine or ten, I&#039;d be all ears. It&#039;s a fair bet that most of you who consider yourself very bright learned a great deal outside of the school environment.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I am amazed at the number of commenters who seem to be totally unaware that free-market schools do exist, and do very well. I recommend reading James Tooley&#8217;s research, about many countries where poor people much prefer private-sector schools to government schools.</p>
<p>I have a grandson who, at the age of five, emailed me a cryptogram of his own devising, and challenged me to decode it. I did so, and responded with another, which he decoded. He and his siblings read fluently. At the age of seven, he confidently handles negative numbers, fractions, decimals, and other problems which would challenge high school students. He&#8217;s not a genius; he has the advantage of being a second-generation homeschooler. Like many others, he doesn&#8217;t waste time on the factory approach to education. </p>
<p>People who claim to be &#8220;skeptics&#8221; are entirely too willing to believe that the Authorities know all the answers about how to teach effectively. Free market providers swap information; they try what works and discard what does not. In short, they innovate. Governments coerce; they reduce choices; they may sometimes outlaw bad choices, but above all, they do not innovate; inertia causes governments to preserve old ways of doing things, however flawed they may be. How can you tell that a better way exists, absent comparision? Today, homeschooling provides a window by which we can compare our &#8220;fine government schools&#8221; to unregulated alternatives. </p>
<p>True skeptics are invited to investigate the research into the performance of homeschoolers. If they can explain why children learn to read and write at home by the age of three or four, but government schools consider it a marvel at the age of nine or ten, I&#8217;d be all ears. It&#8217;s a fair bet that most of you who consider yourself very bright learned a great deal outside of the school environment.</p>
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		<title>By: WScott</title>
		<link>http://www.skepticblog.org/2009/04/21/free-to-try/#comment-5866</link>
		<dc:creator>WScott</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 29 Apr 2009 14:08:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Here&#039;s a much more informed and well-reasoned article on the stengths and weaknesses of government involvement in transportation: 

http://thepublicdiscourse.com/viewarticle.php?selectedarticle=2009.04.17.001.pdart</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Here&#8217;s a much more informed and well-reasoned article on the stengths and weaknesses of government involvement in transportation: </p>
<p><a href="http://thepublicdiscourse.com/viewarticle.php?selectedarticle=2009.04.17.001.pdart" rel="nofollow">http://thepublicdiscourse.com/viewarticle.php?selectedarticle=2009.04.17.001.pdart</a></p>
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		<title>By: Devil's Advocate</title>
		<link>http://www.skepticblog.org/2009/04/21/free-to-try/#comment-5761</link>
		<dc:creator>Devil's Advocate</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 27 Apr 2009 23:30:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Mr. Shermer does not interact with hoi polloi in the Comment Section.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Mr. Shermer does not interact with hoi polloi in the Comment Section.</p>
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