Comments on: The Death of Pat Tillman http://www.skepticblog.org/2009/04/09/the-death-of-pat-tillman/ The official blog of the Skeptologists Sat, 11 Feb 2012 21:38:44 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.3.1 By: Aron Pilhofer http://www.skepticblog.org/2009/04/09/the-death-of-pat-tillman/#comment-5419 Aron Pilhofer Thu, 16 Apr 2009 13:19:57 +0000 http://skepticblog.org/?p=1977#comment-5419 Sorry, I'm confused. I thought this was a skeptical blog. You know, the community that believes that getting to the truth is what's important, even if the truth is inconvenient? I guess I was wrong. FWIW, there has been mountains of reporting on this. There really is no controversy, and nothing that has been uncovered tarnishes Pat Tillman's legacy in any way -- at least to my mind. <a>ESPN</a> has done particularly good work here. Sorry, I’m confused. I thought this was a skeptical blog. You know, the community that believes that getting to the truth is what’s important, even if the truth is inconvenient?

I guess I was wrong.

FWIW, there has been mountains of reporting on this. There really is no controversy, and nothing that has been uncovered tarnishes Pat Tillman’s legacy in any way — at least to my mind.

ESPN has done particularly good work here.

]]> By: annick http://www.skepticblog.org/2009/04/09/the-death-of-pat-tillman/#comment-5372 annick Wed, 15 Apr 2009 15:02:00 +0000 http://skepticblog.org/?p=1977#comment-5372 A very sad event. I can't imagine how the soldier who pulled the trigger must feel in the wake of all this. He has my sympathy. A very sad event. I can’t imagine how the soldier who pulled the trigger must feel in the wake of all this. He has my sympathy.

]]> By: Mully410 http://www.skepticblog.org/2009/04/09/the-death-of-pat-tillman/#comment-5274 Mully410 Sun, 12 Apr 2009 00:59:10 +0000 http://skepticblog.org/?p=1977#comment-5274 I encourage you not to do an investigation. You've already said all that needs to be said: "...a battlefield is a dangerous place. You can get killed in battle. You can die in a car crash. You can catch a disease. You can lose a limb. A lot of people are going to dislike you just for being there, and you’re in grave personal danger all the time, even when you least expect it." As soon as one volunteers for the armed forces, they know what they are getting into and are far more courageous than most people. I encourage you not to do an investigation. You’ve already said all that needs to be said: “…a battlefield is a dangerous place. You can get killed in battle. You can die in a car crash. You can catch a disease. You can lose a limb. A lot of people are going to dislike you just for being there, and you’re in grave personal danger all the time, even when you least expect it.”

As soon as one volunteers for the armed forces, they know what they are getting into and are far more courageous than most people.

]]> By: Shayne http://www.skepticblog.org/2009/04/09/the-death-of-pat-tillman/#comment-5264 Shayne Sat, 11 Apr 2009 03:11:04 +0000 http://skepticblog.org/?p=1977#comment-5264 Pretty good how you used moral confusion and hero-worship as the rationale for abandoning your apparently skeptical view of the world. Isn't that what those silly religious people do? Pretty good how you used moral confusion and hero-worship as the rationale for abandoning your apparently skeptical view of the world. Isn’t that what those silly religious people do?

]]> By: Dave http://www.skepticblog.org/2009/04/09/the-death-of-pat-tillman/#comment-5262 Dave Sat, 11 Apr 2009 01:13:38 +0000 http://skepticblog.org/?p=1977#comment-5262 I've been listening for quite some time. This is your best episode yet. Dave I’ve been listening for quite some time. This is your best episode yet.

Dave

]]> By: Pete http://www.skepticblog.org/2009/04/09/the-death-of-pat-tillman/#comment-5253 Pete Fri, 10 Apr 2009 19:54:47 +0000 http://skepticblog.org/?p=1977#comment-5253 The story from Sports Illustrated tells Tillman's story: http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2006/magazine/09/05/tillman0911/ The story from Sports Illustrated tells Tillman’s story:

http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2006/magazine/09/05/tillman0911/

]]> By: Teeps http://www.skepticblog.org/2009/04/09/the-death-of-pat-tillman/#comment-5242 Teeps Fri, 10 Apr 2009 03:10:21 +0000 http://skepticblog.org/?p=1977#comment-5242 What controversy? An investigation showed that Tillman died by accidental friendly fire during a firefight with enemy forces, and that this was covered up after the battle. Some officers paid a price for the coverup. This is the first I've heard of the execution or "blue-on-blue" theories. Typical conspiracy crap. Don't waste your time. What controversy? An investigation showed that Tillman died by accidental friendly fire during a firefight with enemy forces, and that this was covered up after the battle. Some officers paid a price for the coverup. This is the first I’ve heard of the execution or “blue-on-blue” theories. Typical conspiracy crap. Don’t waste your time.

]]> By: Dwight from Ottawa http://www.skepticblog.org/2009/04/09/the-death-of-pat-tillman/#comment-5241 Dwight from Ottawa Fri, 10 Apr 2009 02:05:04 +0000 http://skepticblog.org/?p=1977#comment-5241 The saddest part of this is that the "fog of war' that confusion that happens during a fire fight is we may never know what really happened. The upsetting thing to me is this young man and so many others, Americans, Canadians, British have been killed or injured while trying to make a difference in the world , not in their own country's but in a place that is nowhere like their homes. I would like to send a few of these truthers over there so the could get a douse of reality I have the highest respect for the military , and the greatest synphtys for the families that have lost someone. Theas others arent worth my contempt The saddest part of this is that the “fog of war’ that confusion that happens during a fire fight is we may never know what really happened.
The upsetting thing to me is this young man and so many others, Americans, Canadians, British have been killed or injured while trying to make a difference in the world , not in their own country’s but in a place that is nowhere like their homes.
I would like to send a few of these truthers over there so the could get a douse of reality
I have the highest respect for the military , and the greatest synphtys for the families that have lost someone.
Theas others arent worth my contempt

]]> By: Max http://www.skepticblog.org/2009/04/09/the-death-of-pat-tillman/#comment-5240 Max Fri, 10 Apr 2009 02:05:01 +0000 http://skepticblog.org/?p=1977#comment-5240 Danny, of course Pat Tillman had an autopsy. http://www.counterpunch.org/goff08102007.html "Two of the best gunshot wound pathologists in the country, at Dannie Tillman's request, accompanied me to the Armed Forces Institute of Pathology in Rockville, Maryland earlier this year [2007] to examine the autopsy findings and autopsy photographs for Pat Tillman. Both agreed that the trajectories, exit wounds, and proximity of rounds are most consistent with a burst fired from the M-249 Squad Automatic Weapon, like the one fired from around 40 meters away by Specialist Trevor Alders outside Manah on April 22, 2004." Danny, of course Pat Tillman had an autopsy.

http://www.counterpunch.org/goff08102007.html

“Two of the best gunshot wound pathologists in the country, at Dannie Tillman’s request, accompanied me to the Armed Forces Institute of Pathology in Rockville, Maryland earlier this year [2007] to examine the autopsy findings and autopsy photographs for Pat Tillman. Both agreed that the trajectories, exit wounds, and proximity of rounds are most consistent with a burst fired from the M-249 Squad Automatic Weapon, like the one fired from around 40 meters away by Specialist Trevor Alders outside Manah on April 22, 2004.”

]]> By: Adrian Morgan http://www.skepticblog.org/2009/04/09/the-death-of-pat-tillman/#comment-5238 Adrian Morgan Fri, 10 Apr 2009 00:35:03 +0000 http://skepticblog.org/?p=1977#comment-5238 "<i>For anyone who has lived under a rock for the past five years</i>" Or just - perhaps - in another country. (Or perhaps you're thinking of the earth itself as a big rock with America on top.) “For anyone who has lived under a rock for the past five years”

Or just – perhaps – in another country. (Or perhaps you’re thinking of the earth itself as a big rock with America on top.)

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