Desmond Tutu, a monumental force in South African and indeed, world activism and a brilliant and beautiful spiritual leader himself, can’t have the Dalai Lama at his 80th birthday party. The South African government just couldn’t get him a visa in time? An old and hard-working man meeting another is not a threat to the security of a country. There can be no way of justifying a failure to grant the Dalai Lama a visa to attend a friend’s birthday.

Especially in light of what he, His Holiness the Dalai Lama, has to say.

Well, um, yeah but he doesn’t specify he’s referring to his Greater Tibet of yesteryear when, by politics and force of arms, Tibet spanned 1/4 of China’s national territory today, running all the way up to the Russian border. Today, 100,000,000+ folks live there, mostly Han and Han Muslims, aka Hui.

He wants all of that to govern???

Indeed. This figure is even disputed by none other than a former director of Free Tibet Campaign in London. Please read this:

http://www.nytimes.com/2008/03/22/opinion/22french.html

“…For example, the Free Tibet Campaign in London (of which I am a former director) and other groups have long claimed that 1.2 million Tibetans have been killed by the Chinese since they invaded in 1950. However, after scouring the archives in Dharamsala while researching my book on Tibet, I found that there was no evidence to support that figure.”

Please, you geniouses who claim that Tibet was independent, please, show me ONE, just one map of Asia, the World or China, just one map, produced in any Western country, any WESTERN country (not China), produced in the 18th, 19th or 20th century that shows Tibet to be an independent nation. Please: just one map manufactured in the West. Just one.

Tibet was certainly part of the Yuan Dynasty, which, might be argued was Mongolian in blood (but not in its institutions and eventually culture), was clearly a vassal tributary to Ming Dynasty (though Ming didn’t have effective controll) and since the beginning of the Qing Dynasty (1664) Tibet has continuously been part of China, of Qing till 1912. And of the Republic of China since 1912. Now in 1949, the forces of the Republic lost the Chinese Civil war to the Communists on the mainland keeping only Taiwan and proclaimed their own “People’s Republic” of China (which is now generally recognised as “China” by most states, but that recognition only dates back to the 70′s). Between 1912 and 1949 Tibet was certainly de jure part of the Republic of China as any map would show you (although admitedly under British political and economical influences, but at that time everyone had a chunk of China). Tibet has NEVER EVER had any INTERNATIONAL RECOGNITION. If you state that yes then when and by whom if I might ask. So how can you call Tibet and “independent nation”.

The fact is that in 1950 the Communists didn’t have control over all of China yet and Tibet was enjoying a large de facto autonomy as a part of the Republic of China (whose legitimate forces were now confined to Taiwan). So the Communists, at that point not having their “People’s Republic” recognized by anyone, MOVED their troops INTO the Tibet region and took effective control of it. As at the time the only China that the international community recognised was the Republic of China (now confined to Taiwan), the international media termed the troop movement “invasion”. Now that was no more an invasion than the invasion of Jiangsu or Guangdong by the communist forces [Jiangsu and Guangdong are provinces of China inhabbited by ethnic Han Chinese, mostly] and I have to admit, the invasion of China by the communist forces of Mao WAS an invasion.

But that says nothing to whether Tibet was independent. In fact between 1912 and 1949 the international community has consistenly RECOGNISED the fact that Tibet was under the sovereignity of the Republic of China. Between 1949 and the 70′s the same international community, while condemning the “invasion” of the Tibet area by the communist forces recognised the Republic of China from Taiwan as the ONLY China, having sovereignity over all the Chinese territory, INCLUDING Tibet. Now, from the 70′s the same very “intelligent” international community decided to switch recognition from the Republic of China in Taiwan to the communist People’s Republic of China on the mainland and they do recognize it as China (unfortunately), with all it’s territories, including Tibet.

Now, the fact that the Communist takeover of China was utterly unlawful changes NOT the fact that LAWFULLY Tibet was part of China de jure since AT LEAST 1644.

And all the geniuses, since hearing the word “invasion” (the use of which I have explained) started thinking that Tibet was once an independent sovereign nation. If you think that please, please:
1.Show me one map, produced in the West (not China, because you might think chinese maps might be biased) in the 18th, 19th or 20th century that shows Tibet as an independent nation (and I mean a printed map in an atlas, printed by a more or less reliable and respected printing house)
2. Tell me which country has ever given recognition of Tibet as an independent nation and when? Please, if you can find this information, I will eat my hat!
Seriously now… commies: a bad stock. “Tibet was free” movement: an ignorant stock who didn’t read ONE history book.

You see, you say that Tibet should be free beacause you think it would be better off than under communist rule. True. It would. In fact all of China would. BUT if Tibet were to become free just because its inhabbitants would vote as the person they consider a GOD would tell them to (no bias there), then what would happen if tommorow the the state of California would want freedom, because 51% of the Californians would say, if asked, that they think this should be better.

A free Tibet would not only legitimize any such endeavour ANYWHERE undermining the very idea of government of any country. It would, amongst othet things LEGITIMISE THE SECESION OF THE SOUTHERN CONFEDERATE STATES in AMERICA over the unlawfulness of which the Union constructed its CASUS BELLI. It would be an utter disaster that would result in the end of International Law as we know it and the undermining of national Constitutional Law in many places around the world.

Get some proof, man!

You are talking with ignorance, there is no racism against minorities in China; in fact, the monorities such as Tibetans enjoy many privileges over the majorities, Han Chinese.

I believe China is better than U.S. at this point, where the native people are treated badly in North Americans.

Find something truth about the riot in 2008 in Tibet, all the attackers are Tibetans, and approximately 100 Han Chinese are cruciablly killed. Many private and public porperties are damaged by the so called peaceful protestors. They even set fire at schools. (See “http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ke_IlfnV1NA&feature=fvw” for more information)I am pretty outraged that the West Media denies this fact, beautifing the image of Tibetans and uglifing the image of the Chinese government at the same time.

In fact, Tibet is much better than before under the rule of Dali Lama in slavery. And not all Tibetans want to be “freed”.

Why should the Western World to care about Tibet anyways, why don’t you just leave them alone. That’s none of your bussiness.

The U.S. just wants to split the nation of China apart, as they did to Yugoslavia. That’s why they rise Dali Lama as their tool to achieve their goal.

Please see this Video and know some truth about Tibet:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ke_IlfnV1NA&feature=fvw