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		<title>By: Devil's Advocate</title>
		<link>http://www.skepticblog.org/2009/02/20/science-and-hollywood/#comment-4113</link>
		<dc:creator>Devil's Advocate</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 28 Feb 2009 19:26:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Maria Marques looks &quot;constructed&quot;. Can Spammers comment about it?</description>
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		<title>By: Maria Marques</title>
		<link>http://www.skepticblog.org/2009/02/20/science-and-hollywood/#comment-4072</link>
		<dc:creator>Maria Marques</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 26 Feb 2009 19:29:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The global economic crisis looks &quot;constructed&quot; . Can Skeptics comment about it?</description>
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		<title>By: BillDarryl</title>
		<link>http://www.skepticblog.org/2009/02/20/science-and-hollywood/#comment-4003</link>
		<dc:creator>BillDarryl</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 24 Feb 2009 14:40:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I wonder... did the &quot;professional remote viewer&quot; they hired as an advisor actually come to the set, or would he just call in from wherever he was during shooting and say, &quot;I see what you&#039;re doing wrong.&quot;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I wonder&#8230; did the &#8220;professional remote viewer&#8221; they hired as an advisor actually come to the set, or would he just call in from wherever he was during shooting and say, &#8220;I see what you&#8217;re doing wrong.&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: ElasticPlanet</title>
		<link>http://www.skepticblog.org/2009/02/20/science-and-hollywood/#comment-3953</link>
		<dc:creator>ElasticPlanet</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 23 Feb 2009 18:24:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>For Sci-Fi movies, as well as books, etc., I think the real important thing is that the filmmakers setup their own reality and then work within the bounds of that reality.  I good sci-fi story first sets up their universes rules, and then adheres to them.

Bearing this in mind, a poor sci-fi story would either fail to set those rules, or introduce an idea/plot twist that violates it&#039;s own rules.

I haven&#039;t seen &quot;Push&quot; yet, but based on Kristen&#039;s brief review, it looks like the filmmakers failed to set up their story&#039;s reality.

&quot;Just saying, &#039;well, that’s the way it is,&#039; doesn’t really fly anymore.&quot;  It not only doesn&#039;t fly, it&#039;s also lazy storytelling.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>For Sci-Fi movies, as well as books, etc., I think the real important thing is that the filmmakers setup their own reality and then work within the bounds of that reality.  I good sci-fi story first sets up their universes rules, and then adheres to them.</p>
<p>Bearing this in mind, a poor sci-fi story would either fail to set those rules, or introduce an idea/plot twist that violates it&#8217;s own rules.</p>
<p>I haven&#8217;t seen &#8220;Push&#8221; yet, but based on Kristen&#8217;s brief review, it looks like the filmmakers failed to set up their story&#8217;s reality.</p>
<p>&#8220;Just saying, &#8216;well, that’s the way it is,&#8217; doesn’t really fly anymore.&#8221;  It not only doesn&#8217;t fly, it&#8217;s also lazy storytelling.</p>
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		<title>By: Jose the Paranormal Skeptic</title>
		<link>http://www.skepticblog.org/2009/02/20/science-and-hollywood/#comment-3921</link>
		<dc:creator>Jose the Paranormal Skeptic</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 22 Feb 2009 22:38:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>A professional remote viewer. How interesting. I wonder if they&#039;ll hire me as a vending machine psychic.</description>
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		<title>By: Beelzebud</title>
		<link>http://www.skepticblog.org/2009/02/20/science-and-hollywood/#comment-3919</link>
		<dc:creator>Beelzebud</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 22 Feb 2009 20:48:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Isn&#039;t it a given that movies are entertainment, and usually works of fiction?  So what is there to debunk?

I&#039;m all for being skeptically minded, but I don&#039;t let it ruin the fun of a good piece of fiction.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Isn&#8217;t it a given that movies are entertainment, and usually works of fiction?  So what is there to debunk?</p>
<p>I&#8217;m all for being skeptically minded, but I don&#8217;t let it ruin the fun of a good piece of fiction.</p>
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		<title>By: labrador</title>
		<link>http://www.skepticblog.org/2009/02/20/science-and-hollywood/#comment-3918</link>
		<dc:creator>labrador</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 22 Feb 2009 16:11:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Ok, but let’s remember that the purpose of movies is for entertainment. Unless is it is a documentary than the accuracy of certain areas will most certainly suffer at the expense of creative license and overall appeal. This said, this can be a good thing. How many current paleontologists can trace the development of desire for paleo-knowledge to a &quot;Jurassic Park&quot; production? How many professionals in the medical field owe their career path in some degree to an interest cultivated or sparked by &quot;ER&quot;? How many marine biologists watched &quot;Jaws&quot; when they were just young pups? Hell, we may have an aspiring astronaut in the current space program that may never admit to it, but may deep inside credit Will Smith &amp; &quot;Independence Day&quot; as their inspiration. There have always been inaccuracies and always will. Did anyone else wonder why nobody ever called 911 when they happened to see people walking the streets with Katana&#039;s strapped to their back or 12 gauge shot guns visible under an ankle length pleather coat? Does anyone else ever wonder &quot;Wow, that was about 33 rounds fired out of a handgun with a standard clip, hmmmm, don&#039;t they have to reload&quot;? Or is there really a record of &quot;Jack Dawson&quot; on the Titanic&#039;s passenger list? Did W.A. Mozart really laugh like that? Did a former US Cavalry officer really play such a crucial part in the development of Japan in the 19th century? 
Either way, each of the films mentioned certainly generated interest in diverse subject matter such as Marine Biology, US Space Program, Titanic and Salvage Operations, Japanese Weaponry and Metallurgy, US 7th Cavalry, etc. 
If we sacrifice some accuracy for entertainment and spark interest is this always a bad thing? Imagine &quot;Jurassic Park&quot; if it were 100% accurate..It might have been fairly dull. However, someone could still compose an extremely accurate feature length script called &quot;Edinburgh Park&quot;. The story of a cloned sheep that goes terribly wrong.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ok, but let’s remember that the purpose of movies is for entertainment. Unless is it is a documentary than the accuracy of certain areas will most certainly suffer at the expense of creative license and overall appeal. This said, this can be a good thing. How many current paleontologists can trace the development of desire for paleo-knowledge to a &#8220;Jurassic Park&#8221; production? How many professionals in the medical field owe their career path in some degree to an interest cultivated or sparked by &#8220;ER&#8221;? How many marine biologists watched &#8220;Jaws&#8221; when they were just young pups? Hell, we may have an aspiring astronaut in the current space program that may never admit to it, but may deep inside credit Will Smith &amp; &#8220;Independence Day&#8221; as their inspiration. There have always been inaccuracies and always will. Did anyone else wonder why nobody ever called 911 when they happened to see people walking the streets with Katana&#8217;s strapped to their back or 12 gauge shot guns visible under an ankle length pleather coat? Does anyone else ever wonder &#8220;Wow, that was about 33 rounds fired out of a handgun with a standard clip, hmmmm, don&#8217;t they have to reload&#8221;? Or is there really a record of &#8220;Jack Dawson&#8221; on the Titanic&#8217;s passenger list? Did W.A. Mozart really laugh like that? Did a former US Cavalry officer really play such a crucial part in the development of Japan in the 19th century?<br />
Either way, each of the films mentioned certainly generated interest in diverse subject matter such as Marine Biology, US Space Program, Titanic and Salvage Operations, Japanese Weaponry and Metallurgy, US 7th Cavalry, etc.<br />
If we sacrifice some accuracy for entertainment and spark interest is this always a bad thing? Imagine &#8220;Jurassic Park&#8221; if it were 100% accurate..It might have been fairly dull. However, someone could still compose an extremely accurate feature length script called &#8220;Edinburgh Park&#8221;. The story of a cloned sheep that goes terribly wrong.</p>
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		<title>By: Greg Taylor</title>
		<link>http://www.skepticblog.org/2009/02/20/science-and-hollywood/#comment-3915</link>
		<dc:creator>Greg Taylor</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 22 Feb 2009 06:35:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Kirsten Sanford wrote:

&quot;A 1995 review of the literature concludes that although remote viewing experiments resulted in better than chance results (termed “small to medium” effects), there was no way of confirming the result was due to a psi phenomenon. The review also argues against the usefulness of remote viewing for intelligence gathering purposes.

Verdict? The science fails to back-up the claims.&quot;

So, better-than-chance results, but &quot;the science fails to back-up the claims&quot;? I&#039;m not sure I understand the thinking there. Sure, you could say that &quot;more research is needed&quot;, but you can&#039;t say that the science *failed* to back-up the claim.

To be more precise, the evidence was looked at by statistician Jessica Utts, and well-known skeptic Ray Hyman. Utts&#039; conclusion was:

&quot;Using the standards applied to any other area of science, it is concluded that psychic functioning has been well established...Arguments that these results could be due to methodological flaws in the experiments are soundly refuted. Effects of similar magnitude to those found in government-sponsored research at SRI and SAIC have been replicated at a number of laboratories across the world. Such consistency cannot be readily explained by claims of flaws or fraud.&quot;

Ray Hyman, as would be expected, was more guarded. Nevertheless, one would have to say that he was struggling for a valid explanation: 

&quot;I accept Professor Utts&#039; assertion that the statistical results of the SAIC and other parapsychological experiments &quot;are far beyond what is expected by chance.&quot; Parapsychologists, of course, realize that the truth of this claim does not constitute proof of anomalous cognition. Numerous factors can produce significant statistical results.

...In the present discussion I am not considering fraud or statistical errors. This leaves only methodological oversight as the source for a plausible alternative to psychic functioning. Utts has concluded that &quot;arguments that these results could be due to methodological flaws are soundly refuted.&quot; If she is correct, then I would have to agree with her bottom line &quot;that psychic functioning has been well established.&quot;

Obviously I do not agree that all possibilities for alternative explanations of the non-chance results have been eliminated. The SAIC experiments are well-designed and the investigators have taken pains to eliminate the known weaknesses in previous parapsychological research. In addition, I cannot provide suitable candidates for what flaws, if any, might be present. Just the same, it is impossible in principle to say that any particular experiment or experimental series is completely free from possible flaws. An experimenter cannot control for every possibility--especially for potential flaws that have not yet been discovered.&quot;

As such, I respectfully disagree with your summation that &quot;the science fails to back-up the claims&quot;. At this stage, it has.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Kirsten Sanford wrote:</p>
<p>&#8220;A 1995 review of the literature concludes that although remote viewing experiments resulted in better than chance results (termed “small to medium” effects), there was no way of confirming the result was due to a psi phenomenon. The review also argues against the usefulness of remote viewing for intelligence gathering purposes.</p>
<p>Verdict? The science fails to back-up the claims.&#8221;</p>
<p>So, better-than-chance results, but &#8220;the science fails to back-up the claims&#8221;? I&#8217;m not sure I understand the thinking there. Sure, you could say that &#8220;more research is needed&#8221;, but you can&#8217;t say that the science *failed* to back-up the claim.</p>
<p>To be more precise, the evidence was looked at by statistician Jessica Utts, and well-known skeptic Ray Hyman. Utts&#8217; conclusion was:</p>
<p>&#8220;Using the standards applied to any other area of science, it is concluded that psychic functioning has been well established&#8230;Arguments that these results could be due to methodological flaws in the experiments are soundly refuted. Effects of similar magnitude to those found in government-sponsored research at SRI and SAIC have been replicated at a number of laboratories across the world. Such consistency cannot be readily explained by claims of flaws or fraud.&#8221;</p>
<p>Ray Hyman, as would be expected, was more guarded. Nevertheless, one would have to say that he was struggling for a valid explanation: </p>
<p>&#8220;I accept Professor Utts&#8217; assertion that the statistical results of the SAIC and other parapsychological experiments &#8220;are far beyond what is expected by chance.&#8221; Parapsychologists, of course, realize that the truth of this claim does not constitute proof of anomalous cognition. Numerous factors can produce significant statistical results.</p>
<p>&#8230;In the present discussion I am not considering fraud or statistical errors. This leaves only methodological oversight as the source for a plausible alternative to psychic functioning. Utts has concluded that &#8220;arguments that these results could be due to methodological flaws are soundly refuted.&#8221; If she is correct, then I would have to agree with her bottom line &#8220;that psychic functioning has been well established.&#8221;</p>
<p>Obviously I do not agree that all possibilities for alternative explanations of the non-chance results have been eliminated. The SAIC experiments are well-designed and the investigators have taken pains to eliminate the known weaknesses in previous parapsychological research. In addition, I cannot provide suitable candidates for what flaws, if any, might be present. Just the same, it is impossible in principle to say that any particular experiment or experimental series is completely free from possible flaws. An experimenter cannot control for every possibility&#8211;especially for potential flaws that have not yet been discovered.&#8221;</p>
<p>As such, I respectfully disagree with your summation that &#8220;the science fails to back-up the claims&#8221;. At this stage, it has.</p>
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		<title>By: Mastriani</title>
		<link>http://www.skepticblog.org/2009/02/20/science-and-hollywood/#comment-3908</link>
		<dc:creator>Mastriani</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 21 Feb 2009 19:34:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Actually, I&#039;m rather disappointed here.

Why wouldn&#039;t they ask for you to be on the show, directly?  An intelligent, highly educated, attractive female ... &lt;b&gt;actively use&lt;/b&gt; a science professional to make the case?

Ratings bump maybe?

&lt;i&gt;Just because “governments around the world employ individuals with this ability” doesn’t mean it actually works.&lt;/i&gt;

What!!!

Lies, lies!!!  Damnable and accursed lies.  That&#039;s it, get David Icke on the phone, she refuses to believe.  She needs &quot;re-educated&quot;.  Definitely.

Next she&#039;s going to come off with something about how governments don&#039;t have societies best interests in mind at all times.  Pffft.

&lt;i&gt;{/exit sarcasm.exe}&lt;/i&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Actually, I&#8217;m rather disappointed here.</p>
<p>Why wouldn&#8217;t they ask for you to be on the show, directly?  An intelligent, highly educated, attractive female &#8230; <b>actively use</b> a science professional to make the case?</p>
<p>Ratings bump maybe?</p>
<p><i>Just because “governments around the world employ individuals with this ability” doesn’t mean it actually works.</i></p>
<p>What!!!</p>
<p>Lies, lies!!!  Damnable and accursed lies.  That&#8217;s it, get David Icke on the phone, she refuses to believe.  She needs &#8220;re-educated&#8221;.  Definitely.</p>
<p>Next she&#8217;s going to come off with something about how governments don&#8217;t have societies best interests in mind at all times.  Pffft.</p>
<p><i>{/exit sarcasm.exe}</i></p>
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		<title>By: Pat in Montreal</title>
		<link>http://www.skepticblog.org/2009/02/20/science-and-hollywood/#comment-3900</link>
		<dc:creator>Pat in Montreal</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 21 Feb 2009 01:29:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Why would hollywood be concerned with getting science right in movies when many of the hit shows on TV today are nothing but pure woowoo garbage? (Ghost hunters, ufo hunters, psychic kids...)</description>
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