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		<title>By: Taddles</title>
		<link>http://www.skepticblog.org/2009/01/05/water-snakeoil/#comment-64489</link>
		<dc:creator>Taddles</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 01 Oct 2011 16:30:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Lots and lots of sales ducks ruthlessly quacking out the same tired, sleazy, pseudo-refutations to demands for actual empirical evidence to support their fantastical claims and assertions for this so-called wonder-water...I&#039;m afraid that Bob (post #57) has it nailed....</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Lots and lots of sales ducks ruthlessly quacking out the same tired, sleazy, pseudo-refutations to demands for actual empirical evidence to support their fantastical claims and assertions for this so-called wonder-water&#8230;I&#8217;m afraid that Bob (post #57) has it nailed&#8230;.</p>
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		<title>By: Ann</title>
		<link>http://www.skepticblog.org/2009/01/05/water-snakeoil/#comment-60578</link>
		<dc:creator>Ann</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 10 Aug 2011 18:14:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I have tried Kangen water. The sales pitch is, we give you free water and you will feel so good you will want to shell out $4000 for a machine.  Sorry I didn&#039;t feel any better (that could be because I felt fine to start with)  I keep my body hydrated by drinking filtered tap water. I see no reason to spend $4000 on a water machine. 
Here is what I found interesting-  The man who is selling this machine was in poor health to start with.  He touts that he feels so much better. He now has cancer. Last year his girlfriend who was a Kangen water drinker died. Yet he is still touting the water as a miracle cure????????   
The bottom line is these people need a down line so they can make MONEY. I feel predatory sales practices are used to sell these machines.

A note to the person who doesn&#039;t need to take metamucil anymore. Baking soda is a laxative.  The baking soda you use to produce your &quot;Kangen&quot; water is what is helping you stay regular.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I have tried Kangen water. The sales pitch is, we give you free water and you will feel so good you will want to shell out $4000 for a machine.  Sorry I didn&#8217;t feel any better (that could be because I felt fine to start with)  I keep my body hydrated by drinking filtered tap water. I see no reason to spend $4000 on a water machine.<br />
Here is what I found interesting-  The man who is selling this machine was in poor health to start with.  He touts that he feels so much better. He now has cancer. Last year his girlfriend who was a Kangen water drinker died. Yet he is still touting the water as a miracle cure????????<br />
The bottom line is these people need a down line so they can make MONEY. I feel predatory sales practices are used to sell these machines.</p>
<p>A note to the person who doesn&#8217;t need to take metamucil anymore. Baking soda is a laxative.  The baking soda you use to produce your &#8220;Kangen&#8221; water is what is helping you stay regular.</p>
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		<title>By: kgirrl</title>
		<link>http://www.skepticblog.org/2009/01/05/water-snakeoil/#comment-57348</link>
		<dc:creator>kgirrl</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 13 Jun 2011 01:17:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>ANYTHING YOU PUT IN YOUR BODY IN HIGH DOSES WILL KILL YOU, just like any vitamin!! Flouride isn&#039;t bad for you. But it will kill you if you have too much. Even an idiot knows that!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>ANYTHING YOU PUT IN YOUR BODY IN HIGH DOSES WILL KILL YOU, just like any vitamin!! Flouride isn&#8217;t bad for you. But it will kill you if you have too much. Even an idiot knows that!</p>
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		<title>By: Mike Jetzer</title>
		<link>http://www.skepticblog.org/2009/01/05/water-snakeoil/#comment-54526</link>
		<dc:creator>Mike Jetzer</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 29 Mar 2011 03:37:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Wife talked me into buying one for $4000. If it was $400 it was overpriced. Total bullshit! I feel this sale guy and wife took atvantage of my wife and I am preparing a small claims suit against them for false claims with no scientific data. FTC supports our claim. Anyway, this piece of %#%^% machine is on ebay for $1000 if anyone wants it !

Or I can use it for a doorstop for the front door too! Except it still leaks water and would ruin the hard wood floor!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Wife talked me into buying one for $4000. If it was $400 it was overpriced. Total bullshit! I feel this sale guy and wife took atvantage of my wife and I am preparing a small claims suit against them for false claims with no scientific data. FTC supports our claim. Anyway, this piece of %#%^% machine is on ebay for $1000 if anyone wants it !</p>
<p>Or I can use it for a doorstop for the front door too! Except it still leaks water and would ruin the hard wood floor!</p>
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		<title>By: Fred Browning</title>
		<link>http://www.skepticblog.org/2009/01/05/water-snakeoil/#comment-54525</link>
		<dc:creator>Fred Browning</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 29 Mar 2011 03:33:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>My wife borrowed one of these machines, and I drank this ionized water for 4 weeks. ph of our well water was 7.5 and with this machine it boosted it up to 8.6  . Final result, feel no better, no worse. Ordinary tap water as far as I am concerned. The body is incredible! Found that using a co2 meter, that the more acid you take in , the more co2 you exhale, and the more alkali that you take in, like this magic water, the less co2 you exhale in each breath. Body ph stays the same. As for the smaller cluster size  and reduced molecule size, physics law says that the only way to reduce molecule size is temperature change or state change (gas, liquid, solid). Anyway, do the math....  The size of water molelules reducing in size can be accurately compared to a sewing needle passing through the Holland Tunnel in New York. With the actual size of a water molecule, our blood stream and tissue that water pass through or in is completely unaffected by the size of a water molecule. Our body cannot tell the difference, as they are way too small!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>My wife borrowed one of these machines, and I drank this ionized water for 4 weeks. ph of our well water was 7.5 and with this machine it boosted it up to 8.6  . Final result, feel no better, no worse. Ordinary tap water as far as I am concerned. The body is incredible! Found that using a co2 meter, that the more acid you take in , the more co2 you exhale, and the more alkali that you take in, like this magic water, the less co2 you exhale in each breath. Body ph stays the same. As for the smaller cluster size  and reduced molecule size, physics law says that the only way to reduce molecule size is temperature change or state change (gas, liquid, solid). Anyway, do the math&#8230;.  The size of water molelules reducing in size can be accurately compared to a sewing needle passing through the Holland Tunnel in New York. With the actual size of a water molecule, our blood stream and tissue that water pass through or in is completely unaffected by the size of a water molecule. Our body cannot tell the difference, as they are way too small!</p>
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		<title>By: Bob</title>
		<link>http://www.skepticblog.org/2009/01/05/water-snakeoil/#comment-54136</link>
		<dc:creator>Bob</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 06 Mar 2011 21:32:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>We live in a culture where cognitive dissonance caused by believing in religious myths against all available evidence leaves us all susceptible to specious claims made by charlatans. Until we, as a culture, learn to value reason above myth and superstition, we are doomed to be duped by devices such as these and political ideologies espousing other bullsh*t.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>We live in a culture where cognitive dissonance caused by believing in religious myths against all available evidence leaves us all susceptible to specious claims made by charlatans. Until we, as a culture, learn to value reason above myth and superstition, we are doomed to be duped by devices such as these and political ideologies espousing other bullsh*t.</p>
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		<title>By: poe boy</title>
		<link>http://www.skepticblog.org/2009/01/05/water-snakeoil/#comment-30281</link>
		<dc:creator>poe boy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 01 Nov 2010 04:15:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>did you just equate scepticism with racism?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>did you just equate scepticism with racism?</p>
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		<title>By: Jacob John</title>
		<link>http://www.skepticblog.org/2009/01/05/water-snakeoil/#comment-28589</link>
		<dc:creator>Jacob John</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 07 Oct 2010 22:27:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi everyone,
Good arguments and lots of bad language which only helps to increase stress and create more damage.
There are lots of medical research done on electrolyzed reduced water (ERW) that too by respected University teaching hospitals around the world, and if they say the results are good then for the time being I&#039;m listening to those dudes and not to some ill-informed skeptics.

My advice to everyone is that you have to be very careful in deciding whom you are taking advice from.  Make sure that your source of advice is well educated on the subject being discussed.  I know many people who make decisions based on what somebody close to them tells them even though the person giving the advice was not an expert in the matter.  The particular case of a gentleman who was a guest in my uncle&#039;s house and while he was sitting there he began to experience some chest discomfort, I personally took him to the hospital and within 2 days I had an angiogram arranged; the results stated he needed coronary intervention; however this person took the advice of his neighbor and decided otherwise.  3 weeks later he had a massive heart attack and died before he reached the hospital. (the result of taking his neighbor&#039;s advise as opposed to his cardiologist&#039;s advice)

I noticed that many people just write something because they feel so or because they are biased against MLM based marketing that Enagic employs.
In my opinion (and this is purely my opinion) I feel that a manufacturer makes a product and the marketing division of the company decides what form of marketing would be the best for that particular product. The type of marketing does not alter the original product.  Marketing is defined as &quot;to make known&quot; advertising is defined as &quot;to make known in such a way that others desire the product&quot; Enagic decided to go the MLM or direct sales method because they probably are getting results with it, after all every company has to have sales in order to survive or simply have to shut down.

If you see pharmaceutical ads on TV they show you all the good things about the drug both audio and visual and encourage you to go and ask your Doctor for a prescription and when it comes to the side effects they just read it as fast as is legally allowed; they don&#039;t show you the visual of a person throwing up or someone with severe stomach cramps because of side- effects of the drug.

Now I am also not going to say that ERW alone is the answer to all health problems and that we can do away with hospitals by installing Enagic&#039;s machines next to all fire hydrants so people can just drink water and the medical community is done with, however I will say it helps in addition to whatever else you can do.  I remember seeing a post above where someone said they lost weight and the skeptics comment was that it was because of him stopping soda; well my response was that if Enagic helped him to stop sodas and drink water then thats a good thing isn&#039;t it? Maybe its the Enagic distributor that helped him open his eyes and take charge of his health rather than waiting for something terrible to happen, I appreciate the efforts of that distributor; and should he be rewarded for his efforts? of course he should, would seeing the life changing benefits in that person encourage the distributor to keep talking? yes indeed.  Now suppose the distributor kept talking but nobody noticed any change in their health or otherwise would that distributor eventually get fed up and stop promoting? again the answer is yes.

So guys do your independent research and come to your conclusion. DO NOT take advice from people who are not experts in that particular field.

By the way I am a Cardiologist from India; I do interventions as well as manage a coronary care unit.

You can reach me at maplelinks@gmx.com</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi everyone,<br />
Good arguments and lots of bad language which only helps to increase stress and create more damage.<br />
There are lots of medical research done on electrolyzed reduced water (ERW) that too by respected University teaching hospitals around the world, and if they say the results are good then for the time being I&#8217;m listening to those dudes and not to some ill-informed skeptics.</p>
<p>My advice to everyone is that you have to be very careful in deciding whom you are taking advice from.  Make sure that your source of advice is well educated on the subject being discussed.  I know many people who make decisions based on what somebody close to them tells them even though the person giving the advice was not an expert in the matter.  The particular case of a gentleman who was a guest in my uncle&#8217;s house and while he was sitting there he began to experience some chest discomfort, I personally took him to the hospital and within 2 days I had an angiogram arranged; the results stated he needed coronary intervention; however this person took the advice of his neighbor and decided otherwise.  3 weeks later he had a massive heart attack and died before he reached the hospital. (the result of taking his neighbor&#8217;s advise as opposed to his cardiologist&#8217;s advice)</p>
<p>I noticed that many people just write something because they feel so or because they are biased against MLM based marketing that Enagic employs.<br />
In my opinion (and this is purely my opinion) I feel that a manufacturer makes a product and the marketing division of the company decides what form of marketing would be the best for that particular product. The type of marketing does not alter the original product.  Marketing is defined as &#8220;to make known&#8221; advertising is defined as &#8220;to make known in such a way that others desire the product&#8221; Enagic decided to go the MLM or direct sales method because they probably are getting results with it, after all every company has to have sales in order to survive or simply have to shut down.</p>
<p>If you see pharmaceutical ads on TV they show you all the good things about the drug both audio and visual and encourage you to go and ask your Doctor for a prescription and when it comes to the side effects they just read it as fast as is legally allowed; they don&#8217;t show you the visual of a person throwing up or someone with severe stomach cramps because of side- effects of the drug.</p>
<p>Now I am also not going to say that ERW alone is the answer to all health problems and that we can do away with hospitals by installing Enagic&#8217;s machines next to all fire hydrants so people can just drink water and the medical community is done with, however I will say it helps in addition to whatever else you can do.  I remember seeing a post above where someone said they lost weight and the skeptics comment was that it was because of him stopping soda; well my response was that if Enagic helped him to stop sodas and drink water then thats a good thing isn&#8217;t it? Maybe its the Enagic distributor that helped him open his eyes and take charge of his health rather than waiting for something terrible to happen, I appreciate the efforts of that distributor; and should he be rewarded for his efforts? of course he should, would seeing the life changing benefits in that person encourage the distributor to keep talking? yes indeed.  Now suppose the distributor kept talking but nobody noticed any change in their health or otherwise would that distributor eventually get fed up and stop promoting? again the answer is yes.</p>
<p>So guys do your independent research and come to your conclusion. DO NOT take advice from people who are not experts in that particular field.</p>
<p>By the way I am a Cardiologist from India; I do interventions as well as manage a coronary care unit.</p>
<p>You can reach me at <a href="mailto:maplelinks@gmx.com">maplelinks@gmx.com</a></p>
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		<title>By: Curtis</title>
		<link>http://www.skepticblog.org/2009/01/05/water-snakeoil/#comment-26031</link>
		<dc:creator>Curtis</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 31 Aug 2010 09:23:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Joe,
I have a good idea why you might be feeling better.  You stopped drinking sodas.  I wonder what would happened if you switched from Kagen to plain filtered water.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Joe,<br />
I have a good idea why you might be feeling better.  You stopped drinking sodas.  I wonder what would happened if you switched from Kagen to plain filtered water.</p>
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		<title>By: GUAD JOHNSON</title>
		<link>http://www.skepticblog.org/2009/01/05/water-snakeoil/#comment-25492</link>
		<dc:creator>GUAD JOHNSON</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 24 Aug 2010 19:13:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>My friend is all over kangen and has been bringing me gallons of water weekly for about two months.  Bottom line...total bullshit.  He tells me that he lost tons of weight because of the water.  I think he lost tons of weight because at about the same time he was drinking the water he was 1.  Doing Yoga in a hundred degree room  2. working on a farm and 3.  Started eating tons of vegetables instead of fatty food....maybe that has something to with it.  I have lost ZERO pounds of fat in the past two months...ZERO.  How about the Kangen brochure that tells you to give it your pets and let them decide?    After all the brochure says there is no placebo effect.   OK, i gave it to three of my dogs and guess what!   NOTHING HAPPENED.  I have one dog that is a little obese, he lost ZERO pounds after two months.  Another dog has diahrea which my friend said the water would cure.  Nope, still diarrhea coming out.  He tells me that they would be naturally attracted to the water.  Huh, I put two of the exact same bowls, one with tap water and one with FRESH kangen water,  the dogs drank the tap water on a 2:1 ratio to the kangen.  It was totally random.  Aside from tha,t every WEALTHY doctor that i have asked to look at it, comes back with the same answer...BULLSHIT.  I say wealthy because Kangen tries to say that Doctors don&#039;t want people to discover kangen because it would make the entire medical industry collapse.  Well,these doctors have more than enough money, they are doctors because they like to help people.  I don&#039;t think my cousin (doctor) is telling me not to by Kangen water because he is worried that his industry will collapse.  He could retire right now, and why doesnt his family have kangen or every other doctor in the world?  Wouldnt they buy it for there families at the very least if it did work?  I guess these doctors just dont understand chemistry as well as the Kangen guys (sarcasm).  Also take a look at the Kangen &quot;professionals&quot; on there website.  Proffessional con artists, none of them have doctorate degrees.  Now the excuse as to why it has not worked for me is that the water has an expiration date of 48 hours.   you might want to tell people that before they do the 30 day trial in which you dont have the machine to fill water up every 48 hours.  Obviously I&#039;m not buying a 4,000 machine that has not done anything to see if it will do something if i fill it up every 48 hours.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>My friend is all over kangen and has been bringing me gallons of water weekly for about two months.  Bottom line&#8230;total bullshit.  He tells me that he lost tons of weight because of the water.  I think he lost tons of weight because at about the same time he was drinking the water he was 1.  Doing Yoga in a hundred degree room  2. working on a farm and 3.  Started eating tons of vegetables instead of fatty food&#8230;.maybe that has something to with it.  I have lost ZERO pounds of fat in the past two months&#8230;ZERO.  How about the Kangen brochure that tells you to give it your pets and let them decide?    After all the brochure says there is no placebo effect.   OK, i gave it to three of my dogs and guess what!   NOTHING HAPPENED.  I have one dog that is a little obese, he lost ZERO pounds after two months.  Another dog has diahrea which my friend said the water would cure.  Nope, still diarrhea coming out.  He tells me that they would be naturally attracted to the water.  Huh, I put two of the exact same bowls, one with tap water and one with FRESH kangen water,  the dogs drank the tap water on a 2:1 ratio to the kangen.  It was totally random.  Aside from tha,t every WEALTHY doctor that i have asked to look at it, comes back with the same answer&#8230;BULLSHIT.  I say wealthy because Kangen tries to say that Doctors don&#8217;t want people to discover kangen because it would make the entire medical industry collapse.  Well,these doctors have more than enough money, they are doctors because they like to help people.  I don&#8217;t think my cousin (doctor) is telling me not to by Kangen water because he is worried that his industry will collapse.  He could retire right now, and why doesnt his family have kangen or every other doctor in the world?  Wouldnt they buy it for there families at the very least if it did work?  I guess these doctors just dont understand chemistry as well as the Kangen guys (sarcasm).  Also take a look at the Kangen &#8220;professionals&#8221; on there website.  Proffessional con artists, none of them have doctorate degrees.  Now the excuse as to why it has not worked for me is that the water has an expiration date of 48 hours.   you might want to tell people that before they do the 30 day trial in which you dont have the machine to fill water up every 48 hours.  Obviously I&#8217;m not buying a 4,000 machine that has not done anything to see if it will do something if i fill it up every 48 hours.</p>
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