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	<title>Comments on: Skeptical Battlegrounds: Part IV &#8211; Anti-Vaccine Hysteria</title>
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		<title>By: Ken King</title>
		<link>http://www.skepticblog.org/2008/12/22/skeptical-battlegrounds-part-iv-anti-vaccine-hysteria/#comment-22809</link>
		<dc:creator>Ken King</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 28 Jun 2010 22:17:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>To all those still brainwashed and severely indoctrinated by junk science and big pharma propaganda learn the real history about vaccines. 
http://www.ivanfraser.com/articles/health/vaccination.html

The Science of Mass Manipulation through Crisis Creation:
An Introduction to the Tavistock Institute of Human Relations

In this video, we take a look at the Tavistock Institute of Human Relations, which is describe in this video as the nerve center for the global manipulation of human consciousness.
... See More
Established in 1921 by the Royal Institute for International Affairs (RIIA), Tavistock has grown into one of the world&#039;s biggest and most influential think tanks, working through governments, NGOs, the media, transnational corporations and major universities to manipulate the population of the world into accepting a one world collectivist state.

Click Link&gt; http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vep0TGI96Mg&amp;feature=player_embedded#!

Elitist Bertrand Russell, 3rd Earl Russell (1872-1970), was a Nobel Prize winner, worked on the education of young children and an award winner of the United Nations Educational, Scientific, and Cultural Organization. A highly respected man by the excessively rich dominant minority. He held views about the middle and lower classes some might describe as inhumane and others as psychopathic. His obsession on studying human behaviour to better utilize human resources did lead to him publishing insightful if not troublesome realities of human psychology.
Click Link&gt; http://www.wiseupjournal.com/?p=1118</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>To all those still brainwashed and severely indoctrinated by junk science and big pharma propaganda learn the real history about vaccines.<br />
<a href="http://www.ivanfraser.com/articles/health/vaccination.html" rel="nofollow">http://www.ivanfraser.com/articles/health/vaccination.html</a></p>
<p>The Science of Mass Manipulation through Crisis Creation:<br />
An Introduction to the Tavistock Institute of Human Relations</p>
<p>In this video, we take a look at the Tavistock Institute of Human Relations, which is describe in this video as the nerve center for the global manipulation of human consciousness.<br />
&#8230; See More<br />
Established in 1921 by the Royal Institute for International Affairs (RIIA), Tavistock has grown into one of the world&#8217;s biggest and most influential think tanks, working through governments, NGOs, the media, transnational corporations and major universities to manipulate the population of the world into accepting a one world collectivist state.</p>
<p>Click Link&gt; <a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vep0TGI96Mg&#038;feature=player_embedded#" rel="nofollow">http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vep0TGI96Mg&#038;feature=player_embedded#</a>!</p>
<p>Elitist Bertrand Russell, 3rd Earl Russell (1872-1970), was a Nobel Prize winner, worked on the education of young children and an award winner of the United Nations Educational, Scientific, and Cultural Organization. A highly respected man by the excessively rich dominant minority. He held views about the middle and lower classes some might describe as inhumane and others as psychopathic. His obsession on studying human behaviour to better utilize human resources did lead to him publishing insightful if not troublesome realities of human psychology.<br />
Click Link&gt; <a href="http://www.wiseupjournal.com/?p=1118" rel="nofollow">http://www.wiseupjournal.com/?p=1118</a></p>
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		<title>By: Carl</title>
		<link>http://www.skepticblog.org/2008/12/22/skeptical-battlegrounds-part-iv-anti-vaccine-hysteria/#comment-13523</link>
		<dc:creator>Carl</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 01 Oct 2009 14:37:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;Well, if the Gov’t / Dr’s say so… we should all run out and do it?!?! Why is heart disease, cancer, diabetes on the rise? (When change in food choices can reduce the incidence of all). Why are drugs being ADVERTISED on television? Why is meat &amp; dairy PROMOTED on television? (But not the fruits &amp; vegetables?) Why does the gov’t subsidize meat &amp; dairy? Why is so much money spent on research, but the U.S. cases are higher than most other countries? Because there is MONEY TO BE MADE… that’s why! Why doesn’t the Gov’t and Dr’s use the same scare tactics that they use with vaccinations to get people to eat better, and stop eating so much meat, dairy, and processed, “dead” food, so that we can reduce the #’s of heart disease, cancer, diabetes, etc…&lt;/blockquote&gt;
That would be: because little of this is true.

Why are drugs advertised on TV?  How about because it is a legitimate function of corporations to make a profit?  Why are ski resorts and fast cars advertised on TV?

US cases of WHAT are &quot;higher&quot; than in other countries?  We certainly have more cancer and heart disease per capita than nations where people die young, because they&#039;re diseases of aging.

The US government subsidizes meat and dairy ... and vegetables and fruits and grains and fish and ....

The idea of &quot;dead&quot; food, BTW, is supported by zero science. 

The government[1] is in fact carrying our large public education campaigns to reduce obesity and promote healthy diet.  Is the effort perfect?  No.  Effective?  No.  Why?  Well, the meat lobby is certainly a factor, along with other food businesses.  That isn&#039;t relevant to this particular discussion, it&#039;s just the conspiracy theorist&#039;s &quot;Throw random antigovernment slangs around to promote distrust&quot; tactic.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>Well, if the Gov’t / Dr’s say so… we should all run out and do it?!?! Why is heart disease, cancer, diabetes on the rise? (When change in food choices can reduce the incidence of all). Why are drugs being ADVERTISED on television? Why is meat &amp; dairy PROMOTED on television? (But not the fruits &amp; vegetables?) Why does the gov’t subsidize meat &amp; dairy? Why is so much money spent on research, but the U.S. cases are higher than most other countries? Because there is MONEY TO BE MADE… that’s why! Why doesn’t the Gov’t and Dr’s use the same scare tactics that they use with vaccinations to get people to eat better, and stop eating so much meat, dairy, and processed, “dead” food, so that we can reduce the #’s of heart disease, cancer, diabetes, etc…</p></blockquote>
<p>That would be: because little of this is true.</p>
<p>Why are drugs advertised on TV?  How about because it is a legitimate function of corporations to make a profit?  Why are ski resorts and fast cars advertised on TV?</p>
<p>US cases of WHAT are &#8220;higher&#8221; than in other countries?  We certainly have more cancer and heart disease per capita than nations where people die young, because they&#8217;re diseases of aging.</p>
<p>The US government subsidizes meat and dairy &#8230; and vegetables and fruits and grains and fish and &#8230;.</p>
<p>The idea of &#8220;dead&#8221; food, BTW, is supported by zero science. </p>
<p>The government[1] is in fact carrying our large public education campaigns to reduce obesity and promote healthy diet.  Is the effort perfect?  No.  Effective?  No.  Why?  Well, the meat lobby is certainly a factor, along with other food businesses.  That isn&#8217;t relevant to this particular discussion, it&#8217;s just the conspiracy theorist&#8217;s &#8220;Throw random antigovernment slangs around to promote distrust&#8221; tactic.</p>
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		<title>By: Tina "I"</title>
		<link>http://www.skepticblog.org/2008/12/22/skeptical-battlegrounds-part-iv-anti-vaccine-hysteria/#comment-13448</link>
		<dc:creator>Tina "I"</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Sep 2009 15:17:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;research for yourselves&quot; in all directions :)

Here&#039;s another link:  http://childhealthsafety.wordpress.com/graphs/#Diph_Mort_EngUSAus</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;research for yourselves&#8221; in all directions :)</p>
<p>Here&#8217;s another link:  <a href="http://childhealthsafety.wordpress.com/graphs/#Diph_Mort_EngUSAus" rel="nofollow">http://childhealthsafety.wordpress.com/graphs/#Diph_Mort_EngUSAus</a></p>
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		<title>By: Tina "I"</title>
		<link>http://www.skepticblog.org/2008/12/22/skeptical-battlegrounds-part-iv-anti-vaccine-hysteria/#comment-13447</link>
		<dc:creator>Tina "I"</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Sep 2009 15:15:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Completely ON topic.  Build up your immune system by eating right, and have the ability to fight illness, or avoid illness.  OR, eat whatever you want, and take a chance on over-vaccinating yourself and your family.  I&#039;ll stick to my way, since my family is healthier than most of the people we know.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Completely ON topic.  Build up your immune system by eating right, and have the ability to fight illness, or avoid illness.  OR, eat whatever you want, and take a chance on over-vaccinating yourself and your family.  I&#8217;ll stick to my way, since my family is healthier than most of the people we know.</p>
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		<title>By: Max</title>
		<link>http://www.skepticblog.org/2008/12/22/skeptical-battlegrounds-part-iv-anti-vaccine-hysteria/#comment-13430</link>
		<dc:creator>Max</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Sep 2009 05:13:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;everyone should research for themselves&quot;

I did, and the research shows that flu shots are safe and effective.
http://www.nytimes.com/2009/03/03/health/03flu.html

&quot;After reviewing the medical records of more than one million members of the United States military over a three-year period, researchers have found that conventional intramuscular shots reduced doctor visits for flulike symptoms by up to 54 percent...&quot;

I assume that members of the US military are healthier than average. Notice that 54% is less than 100%, but significantly more than 0%.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;everyone should research for themselves&#8221;</p>
<p>I did, and the research shows that flu shots are safe and effective.<br />
<a href="http://www.nytimes.com/2009/03/03/health/03flu.html" rel="nofollow">http://www.nytimes.com/2009/03/03/health/03flu.html</a></p>
<p>&#8220;After reviewing the medical records of more than one million members of the United States military over a three-year period, researchers have found that conventional intramuscular shots reduced doctor visits for flulike symptoms by up to 54 percent&#8230;&#8221;</p>
<p>I assume that members of the US military are healthier than average. Notice that 54% is less than 100%, but significantly more than 0%.</p>
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		<title>By: Max</title>
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		<dc:creator>Max</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Sep 2009 04:42:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Off-topic, but here goes...

&quot;Curious why you think the gov’t isn’t using the same scare tactics to get people to eat real food vs. processed junk, and chemically changed foods?&quot;

Different situations call for different scare tactics. For example, the FDA requires food labels to list trans fats and sodium.

&quot;But, no scare tactics for people to make serious changes.&quot;

The CDC lists heart disease and diabetes as risk factors for flu complications. That&#039;s pretty scary.

&quot;Promote eating less dairy, and meat. Promote eating MORE fruits and vegetables!&quot;

The old food pyramid recommended more servings of fruits and vegetables than of dairy and meat.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Off-topic, but here goes&#8230;</p>
<p>&#8220;Curious why you think the gov’t isn’t using the same scare tactics to get people to eat real food vs. processed junk, and chemically changed foods?&#8221;</p>
<p>Different situations call for different scare tactics. For example, the FDA requires food labels to list trans fats and sodium.</p>
<p>&#8220;But, no scare tactics for people to make serious changes.&#8221;</p>
<p>The CDC lists heart disease and diabetes as risk factors for flu complications. That&#8217;s pretty scary.</p>
<p>&#8220;Promote eating less dairy, and meat. Promote eating MORE fruits and vegetables!&#8221;</p>
<p>The old food pyramid recommended more servings of fruits and vegetables than of dairy and meat.</p>
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		<title>By: Tina "I"</title>
		<link>http://www.skepticblog.org/2008/12/22/skeptical-battlegrounds-part-iv-anti-vaccine-hysteria/#comment-13428</link>
		<dc:creator>Tina "I"</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Sep 2009 03:48:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Max, Curious why you think the gov&#039;t isn&#039;t using the same scare tactics to get people to eat real food vs. processed junk, and chemically changed foods?  Promote eating less dairy, and meat.  Promote eating MORE fruits and vegetables!  We could combat heart disease, diabetes, much better.  Those people are dying also... actually, way more reports of those deaths.   But, no scare tactics for people to make serious changes.  Hmmmmmm.  Oh yeah, no money to be made, if they promote HEALTH.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Max, Curious why you think the gov&#8217;t isn&#8217;t using the same scare tactics to get people to eat real food vs. processed junk, and chemically changed foods?  Promote eating less dairy, and meat.  Promote eating MORE fruits and vegetables!  We could combat heart disease, diabetes, much better.  Those people are dying also&#8230; actually, way more reports of those deaths.   But, no scare tactics for people to make serious changes.  Hmmmmmm.  Oh yeah, no money to be made, if they promote HEALTH.</p>
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		<title>By: Tina "I"</title>
		<link>http://www.skepticblog.org/2008/12/22/skeptical-battlegrounds-part-iv-anti-vaccine-hysteria/#comment-13427</link>
		<dc:creator>Tina "I"</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Sep 2009 03:38:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I really don&#039;t need answers back.  I have read both sides.  I want to end my comments with... everyone should research for THEMSELVES, and do what is right for their own family.  Of course the gov&#039;t wants to make money -- they don&#039;t always have our best interest at heart.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I really don&#8217;t need answers back.  I have read both sides.  I want to end my comments with&#8230; everyone should research for THEMSELVES, and do what is right for their own family.  Of course the gov&#8217;t wants to make money &#8212; they don&#8217;t always have our best interest at heart.</p>
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		<title>By: Tina "I"</title>
		<link>http://www.skepticblog.org/2008/12/22/skeptical-battlegrounds-part-iv-anti-vaccine-hysteria/#comment-13426</link>
		<dc:creator>Tina "I"</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Sep 2009 03:35:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Some people have a better immune system than others.  

What about soooo many of my friends that get the flu shot, and then get the flu??  I never get the flu shot, and never get the flu.  I also eat really well, and almost never get sick with anything (even if I&#039;m around people that are sick)... same with my kids.  I used to get sick years ago... when I was less educated, and ate poorly.  To each his own.  I stand by the fact that everyone should research for themselves, and do what is best for their own family.  Never, ever blindly follow.  No one cares more about your health, and your children&#039;s health than you.

I also have friends that get the flu, and take it easy for a few days, and get well again.  What&#039;s wrong with that?  Strengthen the immune system - our body is capable of fighting illness, so let it.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Some people have a better immune system than others.  </p>
<p>What about soooo many of my friends that get the flu shot, and then get the flu??  I never get the flu shot, and never get the flu.  I also eat really well, and almost never get sick with anything (even if I&#8217;m around people that are sick)&#8230; same with my kids.  I used to get sick years ago&#8230; when I was less educated, and ate poorly.  To each his own.  I stand by the fact that everyone should research for themselves, and do what is best for their own family.  Never, ever blindly follow.  No one cares more about your health, and your children&#8217;s health than you.</p>
<p>I also have friends that get the flu, and take it easy for a few days, and get well again.  What&#8217;s wrong with that?  Strengthen the immune system &#8211; our body is capable of fighting illness, so let it.</p>
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		<title>By: Max</title>
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		<dc:creator>Max</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Sep 2009 02:35:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>8. If the flu is going around, a more serious disease is more likely to be mistaken for flu.
9. The more people get the flu, the more will take antiviral drugs, develop side-effects, and increase the chance that the virus becomes drug-resistant.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>8. If the flu is going around, a more serious disease is more likely to be mistaken for flu.<br />
9. The more people get the flu, the more will take antiviral drugs, develop side-effects, and increase the chance that the virus becomes drug-resistant.</p>
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