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		<title>By: ed</title>
		<link>http://www.skepticblog.org/2008/12/21/i-finally-met-one/#comment-54092</link>
		<dc:creator>ed</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 04 Mar 2011 09:22:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hey thanks for my new nickname;  The Dowser - seeking out BS! lol</description>
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		<title>By: Mark T</title>
		<link>http://www.skepticblog.org/2008/12/21/i-finally-met-one/#comment-17127</link>
		<dc:creator>Mark T</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 19 Jan 2010 08:51:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I grew up on Air Force bases so I&#039;ve been watching contrails for a long time. (Actually I remember &quot;smoketrails&quot; from before they retro-fitted the big jets with new engines.) Watch the sky: the area around Berkeley/Oakland is good (and teeming with know-it-alls like on this site) out by Sacramento-Stockton-Fresno is good too. It won&#039;t be too long before you&#039;ll see that most of the planes put out a contrail that dissapates shortly behind the plane; others put out a trail that never goes away and slowly turns into a stratus-type cloud. I remember days above the East Bay when these things WERE the weather that day. I&#039;ve seen jets above the Altamont Pass area at the same altitude, some putting out a normal contrail and some putting out one of these things that never go away and turn into a cloud. Do some web-searching and it&#039;s not hard to find examples of this.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I grew up on Air Force bases so I&#8217;ve been watching contrails for a long time. (Actually I remember &#8220;smoketrails&#8221; from before they retro-fitted the big jets with new engines.) Watch the sky: the area around Berkeley/Oakland is good (and teeming with know-it-alls like on this site) out by Sacramento-Stockton-Fresno is good too. It won&#8217;t be too long before you&#8217;ll see that most of the planes put out a contrail that dissapates shortly behind the plane; others put out a trail that never goes away and slowly turns into a stratus-type cloud. I remember days above the East Bay when these things WERE the weather that day. I&#8217;ve seen jets above the Altamont Pass area at the same altitude, some putting out a normal contrail and some putting out one of these things that never go away and turn into a cloud. Do some web-searching and it&#8217;s not hard to find examples of this.</p>
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		<title>By: tamerlane</title>
		<link>http://www.skepticblog.org/2008/12/21/i-finally-met-one/#comment-14255</link>
		<dc:creator>tamerlane</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 21 Oct 2009 17:32:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;m warned about &quot;chemtrails&quot; all the time.  I calmly relate the real phenomenon of  &quot;con (densation) trails&quot; to fogged-up car windows and cloud formation, then pull out a photo of prop-engined B-17s trailing contrails circa 1943.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m warned about &#8220;chemtrails&#8221; all the time.  I calmly relate the real phenomenon of  &#8220;con (densation) trails&#8221; to fogged-up car windows and cloud formation, then pull out a photo of prop-engined B-17s trailing contrails circa 1943.</p>
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		<title>By: William Mook</title>
		<link>http://www.skepticblog.org/2008/12/21/i-finally-met-one/#comment-10951</link>
		<dc:creator>William Mook</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 10 Aug 2009 03:14:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Outlandish conspiracy theories marginalize reasonable though difficult questions about the operation of secret government agencies and hence is a way for those agencies to avoid them.

Meta conspiracy?

We know about the magic bullet theory and argue over Lee Harvey Oswald&#039;s role in JFKs assassination as if that would carry the day, yet no one ignores those details and notes the death of RFK in June 8, 1968 and the marginalization of Teddy Kennedy July 18, 1969 two days before the moon landing, after a meeting with Mary jo Kopeckne - RFKs California campaign manager and witness to RFKs death - who also died that day.

We know of truthers crazy ideas about CIA involvement in WTC collapse, but this marginalizes any serious discussion of the role of the CIA and the Reagan Doctrine in creating, funding, training, and supplying a world-wide radical muslim movement dedictated to the violent overthrow of the Soviet occupation of Afghanistan and the Soviet Union - and the subsequent loss of control of that movement and it turning on the USA.

After the Civil War we worried about reigning in public discourse to avoid a future Civil War and created the Secret Service to achieve that end.  Henry Ford opposed World War 1, and promoted the Ford Way, and was marginalized.  Huey Long sought to make Every Man a King and challenged FDR, and was assasinated on the State House steps - like a latter day Ceasar.  

In the nuclear age we worried about a nuclear Pearl Harbor and arranged our affairs to avoid that possibility by building a permanent war industry during peace time, limiting discourse that questioned the need for that industry, and limiting the demand for public expenditures that competed with funding for this permanent armaments industry.  

JFK wanted to turn swords into plowshares - nuclear bombs into nuclear rockets, ICBMs to spaceships, competition on Earth to cooperation in space.  The cost was going to be more than our military budgets, but would bear greater fruit than our military budgets.  He was killed like a latter day Ceasar.

MLK envisioned a world where we were not judged by the color of our skin but by the content of our character.  He was killed like a latter day Ceasar.

RFK won in California and wanted to go on to win in Ohio and pull our country out of Vietnam, rededicate our nation to the goals and principles of his brother, and get to the bottom of his brother&#039;s death.  He was killed like a latter day Ceasar.

The Church Committee uncovers CIA documents extending back to the 1940s that show the agency experimented on US citizens in a wide range of mind-control (MK-ULTRA) techniques, one of which closely mimics the events of July 18, 1969 at Chappaquidick - the confused testimony which indicted the last remaining Kennedy at a time he was organizing a run to challenge Nixon in 1972 using the bump of the moon landing.

Whacko theories focus our attention on marginal and unconvincing evidence while ignoring larger patterns that suggest more reasonable lines of inquiry into the operation of secret government agencies.

Conspiracy theories shape and limit the range of questions the public asks of covert agencies and operations - but our leading position in the world, and the uneasy peace we have enjoyed since the ending of World War 2 - in a nuclear age - have come at a price - and that price is the operation of secret government agencies that operate outside public knowledge funded by trading in heroin and cocaine in the USA in ways that undermine LBJs Great Society gains.  

By all means reveal the whackos for the trolls they are - but do not for a second close your mind to the POSSIBILITY that there are other games afoot - and look for solid evidence of them.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Outlandish conspiracy theories marginalize reasonable though difficult questions about the operation of secret government agencies and hence is a way for those agencies to avoid them.</p>
<p>Meta conspiracy?</p>
<p>We know about the magic bullet theory and argue over Lee Harvey Oswald&#8217;s role in JFKs assassination as if that would carry the day, yet no one ignores those details and notes the death of RFK in June 8, 1968 and the marginalization of Teddy Kennedy July 18, 1969 two days before the moon landing, after a meeting with Mary jo Kopeckne &#8211; RFKs California campaign manager and witness to RFKs death &#8211; who also died that day.</p>
<p>We know of truthers crazy ideas about CIA involvement in WTC collapse, but this marginalizes any serious discussion of the role of the CIA and the Reagan Doctrine in creating, funding, training, and supplying a world-wide radical muslim movement dedictated to the violent overthrow of the Soviet occupation of Afghanistan and the Soviet Union &#8211; and the subsequent loss of control of that movement and it turning on the USA.</p>
<p>After the Civil War we worried about reigning in public discourse to avoid a future Civil War and created the Secret Service to achieve that end.  Henry Ford opposed World War 1, and promoted the Ford Way, and was marginalized.  Huey Long sought to make Every Man a King and challenged FDR, and was assasinated on the State House steps &#8211; like a latter day Ceasar.  </p>
<p>In the nuclear age we worried about a nuclear Pearl Harbor and arranged our affairs to avoid that possibility by building a permanent war industry during peace time, limiting discourse that questioned the need for that industry, and limiting the demand for public expenditures that competed with funding for this permanent armaments industry.  </p>
<p>JFK wanted to turn swords into plowshares &#8211; nuclear bombs into nuclear rockets, ICBMs to spaceships, competition on Earth to cooperation in space.  The cost was going to be more than our military budgets, but would bear greater fruit than our military budgets.  He was killed like a latter day Ceasar.</p>
<p>MLK envisioned a world where we were not judged by the color of our skin but by the content of our character.  He was killed like a latter day Ceasar.</p>
<p>RFK won in California and wanted to go on to win in Ohio and pull our country out of Vietnam, rededicate our nation to the goals and principles of his brother, and get to the bottom of his brother&#8217;s death.  He was killed like a latter day Ceasar.</p>
<p>The Church Committee uncovers CIA documents extending back to the 1940s that show the agency experimented on US citizens in a wide range of mind-control (MK-ULTRA) techniques, one of which closely mimics the events of July 18, 1969 at Chappaquidick &#8211; the confused testimony which indicted the last remaining Kennedy at a time he was organizing a run to challenge Nixon in 1972 using the bump of the moon landing.</p>
<p>Whacko theories focus our attention on marginal and unconvincing evidence while ignoring larger patterns that suggest more reasonable lines of inquiry into the operation of secret government agencies.</p>
<p>Conspiracy theories shape and limit the range of questions the public asks of covert agencies and operations &#8211; but our leading position in the world, and the uneasy peace we have enjoyed since the ending of World War 2 &#8211; in a nuclear age &#8211; have come at a price &#8211; and that price is the operation of secret government agencies that operate outside public knowledge funded by trading in heroin and cocaine in the USA in ways that undermine LBJs Great Society gains.  </p>
<p>By all means reveal the whackos for the trolls they are &#8211; but do not for a second close your mind to the POSSIBILITY that there are other games afoot &#8211; and look for solid evidence of them.</p>
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		<title>By: Gus Frederick</title>
		<link>http://www.skepticblog.org/2008/12/21/i-finally-met-one/#comment-5532</link>
		<dc:creator>Gus Frederick</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 20 Apr 2009 22:16:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Actually Chicken Little was right! The sky is, has and continues to fall. Google June 30, 1908. If THAT chunk of sky had arrive six hours or so later, we would now be talking about the &quot;Oslo Event.&quot;

INCREASE NEO ID FUNDING!!!

Gus Frederick
Silverton, OR</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Actually Chicken Little was right! The sky is, has and continues to fall. Google June 30, 1908. If THAT chunk of sky had arrive six hours or so later, we would now be talking about the &#8220;Oslo Event.&#8221;</p>
<p>INCREASE NEO ID FUNDING!!!</p>
<p>Gus Frederick<br />
Silverton, OR</p>
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		<title>By: Devil's Advocate</title>
		<link>http://www.skepticblog.org/2008/12/21/i-finally-met-one/#comment-2026</link>
		<dc:creator>Devil's Advocate</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 27 Dec 2008 14:28:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>http://www.amazon.com/Chicken-Little-Steven-Kellogg/dp/0688070450/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&amp;s=books&amp;qid=1230388061&amp;sr=1-1</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><a href="http://www.amazon.com/Chicken-Little-Steven-Kellogg/dp/0688070450/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&#038;s=books&#038;qid=1230388061&#038;sr=1-1" rel="nofollow">http://www.amazon.com/Chicken-Little-Steven-Kellogg/dp/0688070450/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&#038;s=books&#038;qid=1230388061&#038;sr=1-1</a></p>
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		<title>By: Thomas Ashton</title>
		<link>http://www.skepticblog.org/2008/12/21/i-finally-met-one/#comment-2023</link>
		<dc:creator>Thomas Ashton</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 27 Dec 2008 02:06:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;m surprised you lump JFK and 9/11 disbelievers in with the Chemtrail people.
In my view, they (we) are just a more daring kind of skeptic than you - one prepared to challenge a dominant but unfounded dogma despite the stigma which attaches to those who do so.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m surprised you lump JFK and 9/11 disbelievers in with the Chemtrail people.<br />
In my view, they (we) are just a more daring kind of skeptic than you &#8211; one prepared to challenge a dominant but unfounded dogma despite the stigma which attaches to those who do so.</p>
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		<title>By: open_yr_eyes</title>
		<link>http://www.skepticblog.org/2008/12/21/i-finally-met-one/#comment-2022</link>
		<dc:creator>open_yr_eyes</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 27 Dec 2008 01:08:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>A quote from the link.

http://www.mindfully.org/Reform/Military-Germs-US-Cities.htm


Soil samples were tested at various distances away from the center of the anthrax bomb explosions. &quot;When we got three samples that weren&#039;t contaminated, we stopped,&quot; says Mr. Manchee, the cleanup leader.

A possible remark from one of the workers comes to mind...

&quot;Hey Manchee, after 4,893 samples we finally got three consecutive negatives!

And people wonder where these ideas come from?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>A quote from the link.</p>
<p><a href="http://www.mindfully.org/Reform/Military-Germs-US-Cities.htm" rel="nofollow">http://www.mindfully.org/Reform/Military-Germs-US-Cities.htm</a></p>
<p>Soil samples were tested at various distances away from the center of the anthrax bomb explosions. &#8220;When we got three samples that weren&#8217;t contaminated, we stopped,&#8221; says Mr. Manchee, the cleanup leader.</p>
<p>A possible remark from one of the workers comes to mind&#8230;</p>
<p>&#8220;Hey Manchee, after 4,893 samples we finally got three consecutive negatives!</p>
<p>And people wonder where these ideas come from?</p>
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		<title>By: open_yr_eyes</title>
		<link>http://www.skepticblog.org/2008/12/21/i-finally-met-one/#comment-2020</link>
		<dc:creator>open_yr_eyes</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 27 Dec 2008 00:45:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>well if you think about that last blue flush on you next flight the theory of people becoming sick below from &quot;Chemtrails&quot; starts to take on some ..err...weight. 

This was posted at the Flushing&#039;s Institute.
It had a study about Chemtrails on the internet before the government-airline consortium closed them down and pulled the website off.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>well if you think about that last blue flush on you next flight the theory of people becoming sick below from &#8220;Chemtrails&#8221; starts to take on some ..err&#8230;weight. </p>
<p>This was posted at the Flushing&#8217;s Institute.<br />
It had a study about Chemtrails on the internet before the government-airline consortium closed them down and pulled the website off.</p>
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		<title>By: open_yr_eyes</title>
		<link>http://www.skepticblog.org/2008/12/21/i-finally-met-one/#comment-2017</link>
		<dc:creator>open_yr_eyes</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 27 Dec 2008 00:33:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>For many the term reptilians are the name given to the republican death march crowd.

the ones with no hart or sole that have sold this great country down the toilet.

It has been coined for them by republicans that actually have hearts and souls and believe in arcane concepts like fiscal conservatism and not following the stupid path predicted we would gown down by the very enemies that baited us with fear and hate.

The rise in conspiracy beleivers can be corrilated to the amount of lies told to us daily only to be debunked with day, months, or weeks.

as the time from lie to truth becomes shorter, coupled to the rise in the number of lies increases, people without the critical reasoning skills or mental capabilities to investigate. (or for most of us the needed extra time) to understand. This allows shortcuts in reasoning to used and answeres that explain onse fears become plausable in their minds. Now if you consider that everything you read or hear must be filtered and scaled to the level of truth and believe-ability, along with a time delayed filter check of some scalable time fram to recalibrate one realtime input filter. In their minds their scenario has as much wheight as the 6:00 news</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>For many the term reptilians are the name given to the republican death march crowd.</p>
<p>the ones with no hart or sole that have sold this great country down the toilet.</p>
<p>It has been coined for them by republicans that actually have hearts and souls and believe in arcane concepts like fiscal conservatism and not following the stupid path predicted we would gown down by the very enemies that baited us with fear and hate.</p>
<p>The rise in conspiracy beleivers can be corrilated to the amount of lies told to us daily only to be debunked with day, months, or weeks.</p>
<p>as the time from lie to truth becomes shorter, coupled to the rise in the number of lies increases, people without the critical reasoning skills or mental capabilities to investigate. (or for most of us the needed extra time) to understand. This allows shortcuts in reasoning to used and answeres that explain onse fears become plausable in their minds. Now if you consider that everything you read or hear must be filtered and scaled to the level of truth and believe-ability, along with a time delayed filter check of some scalable time fram to recalibrate one realtime input filter. In their minds their scenario has as much wheight as the 6:00 news</p>
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