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	<title>Comments on: Stanton Friedman Doesn&#8217;t Like Me</title>
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		<title>By: Stephen Prentice</title>
		<link>http://www.skepticblog.org/2008/12/04/stanton-friedman-doesnt-like-me/#comment-66945</link>
		<dc:creator>Stephen Prentice</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 30 Oct 2011 12:05:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It is true that the UFO subject attracts more than it&#039;s fair share of cranks, whack jobs and weirdos (just as other subjects such as religion and politics also have more than their share of extremists.) Some of these &#039;&#039;believers&#039;&#039; no doubt deserve to be labelled as such. Mr. Friedman however is a serious researcher who has devoted much of his life to the study of unidentified flying objects, and as such he knows far more about the subject than his critics on this forum ever will.

It is one thing to be skeptical that some UFOs have an extraterrestrial origin and/or are under intelligent extraterrestrial control. It is quite another to defame a man who has made a serious study of this phenomena and who is undoubtably sincere in his conclusions.

Most scientists agree that there is almost certainly life elsewhere in this vast universe and that many Earth-like stars are much older than ours. If intelligent technological life exists elsewhere in the Universe, and has existed for much longer than we have, then the question becomes, as per the Fermi paradox, &#039;&#039;where are they???&#039;  &#039;&#039;why is there no evidence they have visited us?&#039;&#039;  

In fact there are reports going back to the time of the Bible and beyond (read the Old Testament account of Ezekial for an ancient &amp;&#039;close encounter&#039; UFO report.) Mr Friedman was not behind Ezekial&#039;s account, and neither were the USA&#039;s tabloids newspapers-the USA, much less Mr Friedman,  would not even exist for thousands of years from when Ezekial&#039;s report of a strange flying machine with strange otherworldly occupants was made.

Of course the fact such reports have been made for thousands of years doesn&#039;t mean that Mr Friedman is correct in regards to the Betty and Barney Hill case being factual, any more than Ezekial&#039;s eyewitness account can be proved to be factual rather than maybe as the result of ingesting too many magic mushrooms.  However Mr. Friedman undoubtably knows more about the subject than most skeptics/debunkers ever will and at least deserves to be treated respectfully. If you have a problem with Mr Friedman&#039;s conclusions based upon fact or logic then by all means present it here. Resorting to name calling simply indicates ignorance and lack of intelligent arguments to rebut Mr Friedman&#039;s conclusions.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It is true that the UFO subject attracts more than it&#8217;s fair share of cranks, whack jobs and weirdos (just as other subjects such as religion and politics also have more than their share of extremists.) Some of these &#8221;believers&#8221; no doubt deserve to be labelled as such. Mr. Friedman however is a serious researcher who has devoted much of his life to the study of unidentified flying objects, and as such he knows far more about the subject than his critics on this forum ever will.</p>
<p>It is one thing to be skeptical that some UFOs have an extraterrestrial origin and/or are under intelligent extraterrestrial control. It is quite another to defame a man who has made a serious study of this phenomena and who is undoubtably sincere in his conclusions.</p>
<p>Most scientists agree that there is almost certainly life elsewhere in this vast universe and that many Earth-like stars are much older than ours. If intelligent technological life exists elsewhere in the Universe, and has existed for much longer than we have, then the question becomes, as per the Fermi paradox, &#8221;where are they???&#8217;  &#8221;why is there no evidence they have visited us?&#8221;  </p>
<p>In fact there are reports going back to the time of the Bible and beyond (read the Old Testament account of Ezekial for an ancient &amp;&#8217;close encounter&#8217; UFO report.) Mr Friedman was not behind Ezekial&#8217;s account, and neither were the USA&#8217;s tabloids newspapers-the USA, much less Mr Friedman,  would not even exist for thousands of years from when Ezekial&#8217;s report of a strange flying machine with strange otherworldly occupants was made.</p>
<p>Of course the fact such reports have been made for thousands of years doesn&#8217;t mean that Mr Friedman is correct in regards to the Betty and Barney Hill case being factual, any more than Ezekial&#8217;s eyewitness account can be proved to be factual rather than maybe as the result of ingesting too many magic mushrooms.  However Mr. Friedman undoubtably knows more about the subject than most skeptics/debunkers ever will and at least deserves to be treated respectfully. If you have a problem with Mr Friedman&#8217;s conclusions based upon fact or logic then by all means present it here. Resorting to name calling simply indicates ignorance and lack of intelligent arguments to rebut Mr Friedman&#8217;s conclusions.</p>
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		<title>By: JCA</title>
		<link>http://www.skepticblog.org/2008/12/04/stanton-friedman-doesnt-like-me/#comment-65422</link>
		<dc:creator>JCA</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 10 Oct 2011 06:49:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Why are you so certain that &quot;Lazar is telling the truth&quot;?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Why are you so certain that &#8220;Lazar is telling the truth&#8221;?</p>
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		<title>By: Paul French</title>
		<link>http://www.skepticblog.org/2008/12/04/stanton-friedman-doesnt-like-me/#comment-64294</link>
		<dc:creator>Paul French</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 29 Sep 2011 07:15:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I have not read your peice containing the 40 errors, but your blog here simply asassinated the charactor of a brilliant and kind gentleman.

You provided no facts to support the terrible things you said about Mr. Friedman, and you to mislead people with spin to attempt to make him out as a liar or con man. For example, just because he no longer works on nuclear rocket engines is in no way incriminating. He changed careers when the demand for nuclear physists bottomed out in the US. Stan is first and foremost a scientist, and his research into UFO reports is first rate.

I have learned that nasty, insulting people such as you should never be listened to nor believed. If you simply reported disagreements about his work supported by facts, then you might be credible enough to consider your arguments. But to just blog a bunch of insults and misinformation about the man lets me know that you are not to be believed. Your hate has nullified your arguments.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I have not read your peice containing the 40 errors, but your blog here simply asassinated the charactor of a brilliant and kind gentleman.</p>
<p>You provided no facts to support the terrible things you said about Mr. Friedman, and you to mislead people with spin to attempt to make him out as a liar or con man. For example, just because he no longer works on nuclear rocket engines is in no way incriminating. He changed careers when the demand for nuclear physists bottomed out in the US. Stan is first and foremost a scientist, and his research into UFO reports is first rate.</p>
<p>I have learned that nasty, insulting people such as you should never be listened to nor believed. If you simply reported disagreements about his work supported by facts, then you might be credible enough to consider your arguments. But to just blog a bunch of insults and misinformation about the man lets me know that you are not to be believed. Your hate has nullified your arguments.</p>
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		<title>By: Scott</title>
		<link>http://www.skepticblog.org/2008/12/04/stanton-friedman-doesnt-like-me/#comment-64130</link>
		<dc:creator>Scott</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 27 Sep 2011 16:03:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Sigh... A civilization that has mastered the secrets of space travel would travel so far and expend so much energy to come to our primitive rock and disect cows? That thing in your skull is a brain, a very sophisticated organ that has a whole section devoted to reasoning. Run your ideas through there before you go saying any of that out loud.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Sigh&#8230; A civilization that has mastered the secrets of space travel would travel so far and expend so much energy to come to our primitive rock and disect cows? That thing in your skull is a brain, a very sophisticated organ that has a whole section devoted to reasoning. Run your ideas through there before you go saying any of that out loud.</p>
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		<title>By: Scott</title>
		<link>http://www.skepticblog.org/2008/12/04/stanton-friedman-doesnt-like-me/#comment-64129</link>
		<dc:creator>Scott</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 27 Sep 2011 15:57:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Why is it that in the entire history of ufology, no one has ever produced anything close to irrefutable evidence? And why is aren&#039;t there any claims about alien craft or contact before the pulps and television? While there may be some phenomenon occuring, to say it&#039;s alien in nature is irresponsible. Yeah, Brian&#039;s the wacko. Not the guy who has dedicated his life proving the claims of hoaxers.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Why is it that in the entire history of ufology, no one has ever produced anything close to irrefutable evidence? And why is aren&#8217;t there any claims about alien craft or contact before the pulps and television? While there may be some phenomenon occuring, to say it&#8217;s alien in nature is irresponsible. Yeah, Brian&#8217;s the wacko. Not the guy who has dedicated his life proving the claims of hoaxers.</p>
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		<title>By: Scott</title>
		<link>http://www.skepticblog.org/2008/12/04/stanton-friedman-doesnt-like-me/#comment-64128</link>
		<dc:creator>Scott</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 27 Sep 2011 15:48:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Look, the idea that the government has been keeping alien contact a secret for 60 years is laughable. How many people must be involved in that cover-up? And none of them have blown the whistle on something that massive? The bigger the conspiracy, the less likely it is. Shouldn&#039;t NASA be the biggest agency in the country if extraterrestrials really were here? Ufologists need to apply a bit of reason to their fiction before spreading it as truth.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Look, the idea that the government has been keeping alien contact a secret for 60 years is laughable. How many people must be involved in that cover-up? And none of them have blown the whistle on something that massive? The bigger the conspiracy, the less likely it is. Shouldn&#8217;t NASA be the biggest agency in the country if extraterrestrials really were here? Ufologists need to apply a bit of reason to their fiction before spreading it as truth.</p>
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		<title>By: Scott</title>
		<link>http://www.skepticblog.org/2008/12/04/stanton-friedman-doesnt-like-me/#comment-64127</link>
		<dc:creator>Scott</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 27 Sep 2011 15:43:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>You&#039;re confusing testimony with facts and evidence. A second hand account is not fact. A story about seeing a light in the sky is not evidence. Not even in court. A murder weapon is evidence. There is such a long history of hoaxing in this field that photo or video evidence just isn&#039;t enough. Where are the aliens and their spacecraft? Until those show up for scientific testing, no respectable scientist is going to give this a second thought. They&#039;re busy working in fields that offer physical evidence and produce results.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You&#8217;re confusing testimony with facts and evidence. A second hand account is not fact. A story about seeing a light in the sky is not evidence. Not even in court. A murder weapon is evidence. There is such a long history of hoaxing in this field that photo or video evidence just isn&#8217;t enough. Where are the aliens and their spacecraft? Until those show up for scientific testing, no respectable scientist is going to give this a second thought. They&#8217;re busy working in fields that offer physical evidence and produce results.</p>
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		<title>By: Scott</title>
		<link>http://www.skepticblog.org/2008/12/04/stanton-friedman-doesnt-like-me/#comment-64125</link>
		<dc:creator>Scott</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 27 Sep 2011 15:38:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>When considering the vastness of the universe and the number of known stars with orbiting planets, it&#039;s ridiculous to not assume that life exists elsewhere in the cosmos. But would they bother visiting Earth? Seems unlikely given the amount of energy and time it would take to travel here for little or no reward. What would a civilization that has mastered space travel want here?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>When considering the vastness of the universe and the number of known stars with orbiting planets, it&#8217;s ridiculous to not assume that life exists elsewhere in the cosmos. But would they bother visiting Earth? Seems unlikely given the amount of energy and time it would take to travel here for little or no reward. What would a civilization that has mastered space travel want here?</p>
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		<title>By: Scott</title>
		<link>http://www.skepticblog.org/2008/12/04/stanton-friedman-doesnt-like-me/#comment-64124</link>
		<dc:creator>Scott</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 27 Sep 2011 15:33:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>What made the markings on the disk sinister?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>What made the markings on the disk sinister?</p>
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		<title>By: Scott</title>
		<link>http://www.skepticblog.org/2008/12/04/stanton-friedman-doesnt-like-me/#comment-64123</link>
		<dc:creator>Scott</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 27 Sep 2011 15:31:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Of course UFO&#039;s are real, retard. It&#039;s the leap in logic from ufologists that all UFO&#039;s are extraterrestrial in origin that is less than likely. Shaky videos, blurry pictures and anecdotal abduction stories are not hard evidence. There is a long history of admitted hoaxing in this field, so if UFO cranks want people to stop dismissing them, science needs an actual alien specimen or spacecraft to test.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Of course UFO&#8217;s are real, retard. It&#8217;s the leap in logic from ufologists that all UFO&#8217;s are extraterrestrial in origin that is less than likely. Shaky videos, blurry pictures and anecdotal abduction stories are not hard evidence. There is a long history of admitted hoaxing in this field, so if UFO cranks want people to stop dismissing them, science needs an actual alien specimen or spacecraft to test.</p>
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